[Esug-list] [squeak-dev] [ANN] ESUG supports once againSqueakDBX
Mariano Martinez Peck
marianopeck at gmail.com
Sat Mar 5 10:32:36 UTC 2011
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Carlos Crosetti <
carlos.crosetti at mostar.com.ar> wrote:
> My 10 cents to the SqueakDBX list of actions......
> Long time ago, when I learnt about the VW UI Builder, I attempted to run an
> existing sample code that was basically a dataset widget browsing a
> collection of objects, and then I wrote some code to make them persistent
> using ObjectLens and Oracle.
> Later on time, I would say 12+ years later, I learnt about GLORP and wrote
> a morphic-based dialog to do the most simple CRUD model to teach myself
> persisting objects into PostgreSQL using Glorp and a GUI.
> My suggestion to the SqueakDBX team is to incllude a working sample but
> this time based on the Morphic UI Designer.
Got it. And what about Seaside for example? Few years back, we used to have
a Seaside + GlorpDBX + SqueakDBX example that we used for the university
thesis. However, I guess it is quite outdated and note sure if it works. But
maybe we should do that. I think it is a good idea.
In addition, we can use the same example for the PBE chapter.
Finally, I remember an ESUG project which idea was a open source application
based in pharo, seaside, glorp, etc, to use as an example/learning. I don't
remember the name right now....but it would be awesome if that app could be
changed to use GlorpDBX + SqueakDBX instead :)
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> *To:* Germán Arduino <garduino at gmail.com>
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> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Germán Arduino <garduino at gmail.com>wrote:
>> Certainly all the Smalltalk community should thank ESUG by the
>> continous support to lot of initiatives.
> And to ESUG sponsors :)
> and ESUG conference attendees...and...and..lots of people :)
>> Thanks ESUG.
>> 2011/3/4 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck at gmail.com>:
>> > We are really happy to announce that ESUG will sponsor us once again
>> > the ESUG Summer Talk project. This means that we have reached the ESUG
>> > expectations and that they still think that relational database access
>> is an
>> > important matter in Smalltalk.
>> > One important thing is that we are going to rename the project (we are
>> > working on it) since SqueakDBX runs not only in Squeak but also in
>> > and there have been even ports to Dolphin. What's the reason for this
>> > decision? Because we do not want to couple ourselves to a smalltalk
>> > nor to OpenDBX, because our project is much more than that (later I will
>> > tell you about our plans). So, these are some of the possible names:
>> > ObjectPark, SmallParking, Parktalk, SmallValet, Valetalk, ValetST,
>> > NorayTalk, Ballard, Noray and Cruise. Please let us know which one is
>> > favourite or help us find a new one.
>> > Another important subject is the team. There will be three "mentors",
>> > Esteban Lorenzano, Diogenes Moreira and myself, Mariano Martinez Peck;
>> > three students: Guillermo Polito, Nicolas Scarcella and Santiago
>> > We are open to suggestions and ideas. In addition, we have defined a
>> > possible list of actions that I copy at the end of the email.
>> > For the moment, the url remains www.squeakdbx.org and the mailing
>> > list squeakdbx at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>> > Once again, we want to thank ESUG for their support and trust.
>> > Thank you very much,
>> > SqueakDBX team
>> > Possible list of actions:
>> > 1) Change SqueakDBX’s name.
>> > 2) Update GLORP version since the actual one is 3 years old.
>> > Port it again from VisualWorks, create a VW porting tool (may be).
>> > Complete support to Glorp. Today it works with PostgreSQL, Oracle and
>> > MySQL. Make it work with most databases OpenDBX supports.
>> > 3) Create a lightweight solution, alternatively to GLORP. There are
>> > options:
>> > Make SqueakSave work with SqueakDBX. SqueakSave developers already
>> > contacted us because they wanted to do it. SqueakSave seems to be 20%
>> > than Glorp but you don't need to write the mappings :)
>> > Adapt Ramon Leon's active record to use an abstract database driver, and
>> > create a driver for SqueakDBX.
>> > Port the new Glorp’s kind of active record to Pharo. (included in 2).
>> > 4) Write a Pharo By Example 2 chapter based on the card game Stef built
>> > 5) Cog compatibility.
>> > 6) Use Alien instead of FFI.
>> > Eliot is working on a threaded CogVM. One of the projects of the GSoC of
>> > this year was to make something similar to a threaded FFI. What the
>> > did is a modification in Alien (I think) that can be run in a
>> > envirorment. He worked with Eliot. The idea is when Eliot releases the
>> > threaded CogVM, this FFI would work our of the box, and would avoid
>> > the WHOLE vm while a C function is being invoked (as it happens today
>> > FFI).....So....when that VM is released, we MUST migrate to that).
>> > 7) Explore performance issues (maybe with our approach of "In thread
>> > execution plugin").
>> > 8) Complete integration with OpenDBX. For example, Oracle, for large
>> > (Clob, Blob, etc) use specific functions. There are specific functions
>> > OpenDBX that have to be used if the database uses specific functions
>> > is the only one for the moment.). We don't manage those functions yet.
>> > 9) In this link http://www.squeakdbx.org/Targets%20and%20Features
>> > You can see a list of future possible features like Connection pooling
>> > it is done!), Prepared statement interface, Store procedures, Escape and
>> > avoid of SQL insertion, Authentication support: extends to other
>> > not only user/password, Full text support, etc.
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