On 31 May 2011 09:29, Levente Uzonyi <leves at elte.hu> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2011, Frank Shearar wrote:
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>> Indeed, I'm starting to think that tiling window managers are the only
>> actual window managers (as in, if you have to move your windows
>> around, _you're_ the window manager). A colleague pointed out, when I
>> questioned his rabid love of tiling, that I've constructed my workflow
>> in such a way as to turn my non-tiling WM into one, effectively.
>>
>> Maybe there's a way of easily leveraging Laurent Laffont's new TVM? -
>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/2011/05/tiling-window-manager.html
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> It's not a window manager at all, just a button, that tries to lay out
> windows as equally sized tiles when you press it. While it's a good start,
> it's far from a real tiling window manager IMHO.

Maybe so (I admit I only watched half the demo before Real Life
interrupted me), but it's one more ping indicating something
potentially worth doing: I'm feeling the lack of a TVM, Andreas W is,
Laurent is, ...

Anyway, it's the sort've project that'll take up quite some time. I
also certainly don't think we should put a TVM into trunk... but it
may be a good idea to put _hooks_ into trunk such that someone can
easily load up their own WM, tiling or otherwise.

frank
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> Levente
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>> frank
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>> On 31 May 2011 07:22, Michael Haupt <mhaupt at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Andreas Wacknitz <A.Wacknitz at gmx.de>
>>> Date: 31 May 2011 08:18
>>> Subject: [Pharo-project] usability of Pharo and Squeak
>>> To: Pharo-project at lists.gforge.inria.fr
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have convinced a friend to take a closer look at Pharo 1.2.1 and
>>> Dolphin Smalltalk. He is an experienced Java developer.
>>> After some time he started to complain about Pharo. I was discussing
>>> with him and now think that he has some valid points.
>>>
>>> His biggest complaint is: "Why does Pharo always show windows at sizes
>>> and positions I don't want?"
>>> I answered him: You could set the standard window size in the class
>>> RealEstateAgent and furthermore you can create or change
>>>>>
>>>>> initialExtent methods in every class that is involved.
>>>
>>> But his answer was: Why should I do that? It's the responsibility of
>>> an IDE. I don't want to program elementary things of my IDE. Why is
>>> there no mechanism that let a user set the sizes and positions of
>>> windows? Netbeans and Eclipse are doing that nicely. Why isn't it
>>> possible in Pharo?
>>> After that discussion I now question my own way of using Pharo and
>>> Squeak. I have created some changesets that I used to file in when
>>> using
>>> a fresh image. But that seems stupid now...
>>>
>>> His second complaint was that he doesn't like the cluttered windows.
>>> While programming he had a lot of open windows and told me that he
>>> lost overview.
>>> Especially in Pharo he is complaining about minimized windows that are
>>> hard to distinguish. He better likes Dolphin with tabbed windows that
>>> are common in other IDE's.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>>
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