On 12.04.2013, at 09:45, Levente Uzonyi <leves at elte.hu> wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Frank Shearar wrote:
> 
>> Well, to be fair this is the right time to push longer term
>> work-in-progress stuff in trunk. Frustrated is my usual state :)
> 
> Code which has known issues should go into the Inbox. The Trunk is for code which is ready for consumption. It doesn't mean that work-in-progress stuff shouldn't be in the Trunk, but it should be done in a way that doesn't break stuff intentionally, unless it's unavoidable.
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> http://squeakboard.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/a-new-community-development-model/
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> Levente

+1

- Bert -

>> 
>> frank
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>> On 11 April 2013 21:43, Nicolas Cellier
>> <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I understand how this can be frustrating for Frank :(
>>> His efforts for having the CI server working could supposedly be rewarded by
>>> correction of errors and regressions soon after their introduction...
>>> Unfortunately, it's precisely the time chosen by Bert and Colin for
>>> introducing longer term work in progress in trunk.
>>> We are less patient than we used to be :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2013/4/10 Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
>>>> 
>>>> On 10.04.2013, at 05:45, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10 April 2013 13:42, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11 March 2013 00:11,  <commits at source.squeak.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Bert Freudenberg uploaded a new version of EToys to project The Trunk:
>>>>>>> http://source.squeak.org/trunk/EToys-bf.94.mcz
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ==================== Summary ====================
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Name: EToys-bf.94
>>>>>>> Author: bf
>>>>>>> Time: 11 March 2013, 1:11:38.945 am
>>>>>>> UUID: 4abe21cf-5215-40c9-8371-07b6a9e09b81
>>>>>>> Ancestors: EToys-fbs.93
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bring in some classes and methods from the Etoys image so that project
>>>>>>> loading gives a meaningful error, not just 'unknown class'. See
>>>>>>> ReleaseBuilderSqueakland>>buildInitialScreen
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> =============== Diff against EToys-fbs.93 ===============
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This has several missing classes, I just discovered: SExpElement,
>>>>>> EToyExpressionTransformer2 and SugarPropertiesNotification.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I only just noticed now because
>>>>>> Tests.Release.ReleaseTest.testUndeclared often fails for spurious
>>>>>> reasons (discussed at length elsewhere).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hit "send" too soon. It bothers me that Bert didn't get told that he
>>>>> was about to add missing class definitions. I understand that they
>>>>> weren't missing in his image, but it'd be really nice if something
>>>>> somewhere could have told Bert "you've forgotten some classes". The
>>>>> current "commit and see what CI says" mechanism is suboptimal.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> They're not in my image either. The mechanism to inform me is the
>>>> undeclared warning that gets logged to the transcript. And I ignored it
>>>> because this is work in progress.
>>>> 
>>>> - Bert -
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