On 23 Feb 2013, at 15:47, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de> wrote:

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> On 23.02.2013, at 15:14, "David T. Lewis" <lewis at mail.msen.com> wrote:
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>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:33:14AM -0800, Colin Putney wrote:
>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:12 PM, tim Rowledge <tim at rowledge.org> wrote:
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>>>> No ceremony at all worries me. Call me Captain Slow (cf James May) but I
>>>> like procedures. They're recipes for maintaining sanity over time.
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>>> Well, it's not quite "no ceremony," we're aiming for "no more ceremony than
>>> necessary." Here's the description of the way it's supposed to work now:
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>>> http://squeakboard.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/a-new-community-development-model/
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>> This is really a key point. It did not seem like a big thing at the time,
>> but with the benefit of hindsight I now think of the Andreas' community
>> development model as perhaps his most important contribution to Squeak.
>> I go back and reread his posting from time to time, along with the back
>> to the future paper (http://ftp.squeak.org/docs/OOPSLA.Squeak.html) just
>> to remind myself of the basics.
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> +1
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>> That said, I think that Mantis also plays an important role. Basically it
>> is there for issues that cannot be quickly resolved on the mailing list,
>> or that require some longer term collective memory for the community.
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>> I honestly thought our Mantis system had pretty well died off a few years
>> ago, but I kept on using it to record various VMMaker issues that could
>> not be immediately resolved. There are issues like this that for various
>> reasons may require years to bring to conclusion, and it is also helpful
>> to have a record of those issues beyond what is found in email postings
>> and Monticello commit comments.
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>> A good example of such an issue that was just recently updated is this one:
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>> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6828
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>> And an even better example is this one, which was not very important
>> at the time the issue was logged, but which will be very important
>> a few years later as the various VMs move to 64-bit platforms:
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>> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7237
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> Mantis might appear less dead if reports/changes got posted to squeak-dev. Thoughts?

The reason it doesn't already do this is just that I didn't want to annoy everyone. I think it's a great idea. What granularity ought to apply? Mails on new issues? State changes (to see when something's resolved)?

frank

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