On 1/3/13, Chris Muller <asqueaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Dale.  I'm looking forward to when your work is ready for
> primetime.  1M users means nothing to me (how else could we use
> Smalltalk if it did?),

The number as such is of some significance that we can expose our work
to a large audience.

Smalltalk is no 46 on the github languages list.

https://github.com/languages/Smalltalk

Otherwise I agree with you.


> but some of the functionality; the idea of
> being able to fork anyone's work and cherry-pick from other forks,
> etc. as well as the server-continuity all sounds really great.

Actually Monticello works fine locally but the infrastructure at the
moment is weak.

www.squeaksource.com cannot accept new projects.

ss3 is alpha and Dale does not have time.

Smalltalkhub does not have enough people to work on it.

No RESTful URL's

If we want to focus on e.g. making Etoys unlodable, Environments,
Altitude etc we need to rely on well supported source code management.

And for example SqueakMap is still a good project but support is weak as well.
Goran is around from time to time and has an interest in doing
something but in the end he does is very small.

And Chris, you wrote that you want to work on it in 2013. This is great news.

I assume SqueakMap probably does not need much more investment to
become very useful
tool again. In particular in connection with github.

We could actually store just plain *.mcz files there as well. Not
fully the intended use of github but probably a step in a smooth
transition for Squeak programmers.

And then start using FileTree of course.


--Hannes

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> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich at vmware.com> wrote:
>> The two current challenges at the moment are Metacello/git integration and
>> in-image support for git operations.
>>
>> The Metacello Preview represents my current take on integrating Metacello
>> and git/github ... I like most of what I have, but there are a few things
>> that I'm not happy with and that will need work before it's ready for
>> primetime...
>>
>> There has been work done by Max Leske and Camillo Bruni to provide a
>> FileSystem-based access to git, but I haven't had the time to play with
>> this yet ...
>>
>> At this point in time, things are usable by pioneers who are willing to
>> put up with a few hardships:)
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> | From: "Frank Shearar" <frank.shearar at gmail.com>
>> | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>> <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>> | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:00:01 AM
>> | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>> SqueakSource3
>> |
>> | On 3 January 2013 16:52, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich at vmware.com> wrote:
>> | > Chris,
>> | >
>> | > Where _do_ I spend my cycles? (you may ask)
>> | >
>> | > Working on opening up git/github to smalltalkers.
>> | >
>> | > github has over 1,000,000 users and 100+ folks work at github
>> | > maintaining and developing the site ... How many full-time
>> | > developers are there for SqueakSource3 or SmalltalkHub?
>> | >
>> | > Besides that, in my opinion, the combination of git/github is
>> | > superior to anything we have.
>> | >
>> | > Finally, I believe that if and when the Smalltalk community adapts
>> | > to git/github, Smalltalk as a development environment will become
>> | > much more accessible to developers in general which can only be a
>> | > good thing...
>> |
>> | It's worth reminding people that filetree works just great as a
>> | Monticello back end (and does so right now). When you're developing,
>> | you're unaware that there's file system swizzling to a git
>> | repository.
>> | And if you use Dale's builderCI version, you can hook up to Travis CI
>> | and get continuous integration for free.
>> |
>> | Gitocello too works great: the tradeoff is that filetree versions
>> | semantic units while Gitocell versions chunk-format fileouts.
>> |
>> | frank
>> |
>> | > Dale
>> | >
>> | > ----- Original Message -----
>> | > | From: "Dale Henrichs" <dhenrich at vmware.com>
>> | > | To: "ma chris m" <ma.chris.m at gmail.com>, "The general-purpose
>> | > | Squeak developers list"
>> | > | <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:08:05 AM
>> | > | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions
>> | > | on   SqueakSource3
>> | > |
>> | > | Chris,
>> | > |
>> | > | One other point that may not be clear ...
>> | > |
>> | > | I am not the developer/maintainer of SqueakSource3 ... I
>> | > | administer
>> | > | the ss3 site.
>> | > |
>> | > | I don't have the cycles to take on the ongoing development of
>> | > | SqueakSource3 and rely on other developers for that ...
>> | > |
>> | > | So when I say that ss3 will be supported "forever" I am talking
>> | > | about
>> | > | keeping the site operational "forever", not about fixing bugs and
>> | > | adding new features to SqueakSource3 ... someone else has to take
>> | > | on
>> | > | that job ....
>> | > |
>> | > | Dale
>> | > |
>> | > | ----- Original Message -----
>> | > | | From: "Chris Muller" <asqueaker at gmail.com>
>> | > | | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>> | > | | <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>> | > | | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:41:56 PM
>> | > | | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or
>> | > | | Versions on
>> | > | |     SqueakSource3
>> | > | |
>> | > | | Dale, will SS3 still be supported even after SmalltalkHub comes
>> | > | | on-line?
>> | > | |
>> | > | | On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dale Henrichs
>> | > | | <dhenrich at vmware.com>
>> | > | | wrote:
>> | > | | > Chris,
>> | > | | >
>> | > | | > Non-optimized search is one of the "features" of the Alpha
>> | > | | > status
>> | > | | > of ss3.
>> | > | | >
>> | > | | > One of these days I will find the time to optimize the
>> | > | | > project
>> | > | | > search among other things .... In the past when my time has
>> | > | | > opened
>> | > | | > up, either Tobias didn't have time available or it looked
>> | > | | > like
>> | > | | > SmalltalkHub would come online ...
>> | > | | >
>> | > | | > Ah well, I suppose the quickest way to get SmalltalkHub to
>> | > | | > come
>> | > | | > online is for me to start work on ss3:)
>> | > | | >
>> | > | | > Dale
>> | > | | >
>> | > | | > ----- Original Message -----
>> | > | | > | From: "Chris Muller" <asqueaker at gmail.com>
>> | > | | > | To: "squeak dev" <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>> | > | | > | Cc: "Dale Henrichs" <dhenrich at vmware.com>
>> | > | | > | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:45:05 AM
>> | > | | > | Subject: Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>> | > | | > | SqueakSource3
>> | > | | > |
>> | > | | > | > Searching for Projects does not work either but it seems
>> | > | | > | > to
>> | > | | > | > hang
>> | > | | > | > the
>> | > | | > | > browser rather than producing no results.
>> | > | | > |
>> | > | | > | Ok, right after I hit send, the search for Projects came
>> | > | | > | back.
>> | > | | > |  It
>> | > | | > | took > 60 seconds.
>> | > | | > |
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