[squeak-dev] Cannot search Projects or Versions on SqueakSource3

Tobias Pape Das.Linux at gmx.de
Thu Jan 3 20:24:01 UTC 2013


Hey Hannes

Am 03.01.2013 um 21:05 schrieb H. Hirzel:

> On 1/3/13, Chris Muller <asqueaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Dale.  I'm looking forward to when your work is ready for
>> primetime.  1M users means nothing to me (how else could we use
>> Smalltalk if it did?),
> 
> The number as such is of some significance that we can expose our work
> to a large audience.
> 
> Smalltalk is no 46 on the github languages list.
> 
> https://github.com/languages/Smalltalk
> 
> Otherwise I agree with you.
> 
> 
>> but some of the functionality; the idea of
>> being able to fork anyone's work and cherry-pick from other forks,
>> etc. as well as the server-continuity all sounds really great.
> 
> Actually Monticello works fine locally but the infrastructure at the
> moment is weak.
> 
> www.squeaksource.com cannot accept new projects.
> 
> ss3 is alpha and Dale does not have time.

Well, I'd consider it already Beta, if not Release candidate…

> 
> Smalltalkhub does not have enough people to work on it.
> 
> No RESTful URL's

Not true for ss3. 
They might not be as full-fledget REST as other
Products out there, but usable. 

Best
	-Tobias

> 
> If we want to focus on e.g. making Etoys unlodable, Environments,
> Altitude etc we need to rely on well supported source code management.
> 
> And for example SqueakMap is still a good project but support is weak as well.
> Goran is around from time to time and has an interest in doing
> something but in the end he does is very small.
> 
> And Chris, you wrote that you want to work on it in 2013. This is great news.
> 
> I assume SqueakMap probably does not need much more investment to
> become very useful
> tool again. In particular in connection with github.
> 
> We could actually store just plain *.mcz files there as well. Not
> fully the intended use of github but probably a step in a smooth
> transition for Squeak programmers.
> 
> And then start using FileTree of course.
> 
> 
> --Hannes
> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich at vmware.com> wrote:
>>> The two current challenges at the moment are Metacello/git integration and
>>> in-image support for git operations.
>>> 
>>> The Metacello Preview represents my current take on integrating Metacello
>>> and git/github ... I like most of what I have, but there are a few things
>>> that I'm not happy with and that will need work before it's ready for
>>> primetime...
>>> 
>>> There has been work done by Max Leske and Camillo Bruni to provide a
>>> FileSystem-based access to git, but I haven't had the time to play with
>>> this yet ...
>>> 
>>> At this point in time, things are usable by pioneers who are willing to
>>> put up with a few hardships:)
>>> 
>>> Dale
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> | From: "Frank Shearar" <frank.shearar at gmail.com>
>>> | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>>> <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>>> | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:00:01 AM
>>> | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>>> SqueakSource3
>>> |
>>> | On 3 January 2013 16:52, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich at vmware.com> wrote:
>>> | > Chris,
>>> | >
>>> | > Where _do_ I spend my cycles? (you may ask)
>>> | >
>>> | > Working on opening up git/github to smalltalkers.
>>> | >
>>> | > github has over 1,000,000 users and 100+ folks work at github
>>> | > maintaining and developing the site ... How many full-time
>>> | > developers are there for SqueakSource3 or SmalltalkHub?
>>> | >
>>> | > Besides that, in my opinion, the combination of git/github is
>>> | > superior to anything we have.
>>> | >
>>> | > Finally, I believe that if and when the Smalltalk community adapts
>>> | > to git/github, Smalltalk as a development environment will become
>>> | > much more accessible to developers in general which can only be a
>>> | > good thing...
>>> |
>>> | It's worth reminding people that filetree works just great as a
>>> | Monticello back end (and does so right now). When you're developing,
>>> | you're unaware that there's file system swizzling to a git
>>> | repository.
>>> | And if you use Dale's builderCI version, you can hook up to Travis CI
>>> | and get continuous integration for free.
>>> |
>>> | Gitocello too works great: the tradeoff is that filetree versions
>>> | semantic units while Gitocell versions chunk-format fileouts.
>>> |
>>> | frank
>>> |
>>> | > Dale
>>> | >
>>> | > ----- Original Message -----
>>> | > | From: "Dale Henrichs" <dhenrich at vmware.com>
>>> | > | To: "ma chris m" <ma.chris.m at gmail.com>, "The general-purpose
>>> | > | Squeak developers list"
>>> | > | <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>>> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:08:05 AM
>>> | > | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions
>>> | > | on   SqueakSource3
>>> | > |
>>> | > | Chris,
>>> | > |
>>> | > | One other point that may not be clear ...
>>> | > |
>>> | > | I am not the developer/maintainer of SqueakSource3 ... I
>>> | > | administer
>>> | > | the ss3 site.
>>> | > |
>>> | > | I don't have the cycles to take on the ongoing development of
>>> | > | SqueakSource3 and rely on other developers for that ...
>>> | > |
>>> | > | So when I say that ss3 will be supported "forever" I am talking
>>> | > | about
>>> | > | keeping the site operational "forever", not about fixing bugs and
>>> | > | adding new features to SqueakSource3 ... someone else has to take
>>> | > | on
>>> | > | that job ....
>>> | > |
>>> | > | Dale
>>> | > |
>>> | > | ----- Original Message -----
>>> | > | | From: "Chris Muller" <asqueaker at gmail.com>
>>> | > | | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
>>> | > | | <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>>> | > | | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:41:56 PM
>>> | > | | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or
>>> | > | | Versions on
>>> | > | |     SqueakSource3
>>> | > | |
>>> | > | | Dale, will SS3 still be supported even after SmalltalkHub comes
>>> | > | | on-line?
>>> | > | |
>>> | > | | On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dale Henrichs
>>> | > | | <dhenrich at vmware.com>
>>> | > | | wrote:
>>> | > | | > Chris,
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > Non-optimized search is one of the "features" of the Alpha
>>> | > | | > status
>>> | > | | > of ss3.
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > One of these days I will find the time to optimize the
>>> | > | | > project
>>> | > | | > search among other things .... In the past when my time has
>>> | > | | > opened
>>> | > | | > up, either Tobias didn't have time available or it looked
>>> | > | | > like
>>> | > | | > SmalltalkHub would come online ...
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > Ah well, I suppose the quickest way to get SmalltalkHub to
>>> | > | | > come
>>> | > | | > online is for me to start work on ss3:)
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > Dale
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | | > ----- Original Message -----
>>> | > | | > | From: "Chris Muller" <asqueaker at gmail.com>
>>> | > | | > | To: "squeak dev" <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
>>> | > | | > | Cc: "Dale Henrichs" <dhenrich at vmware.com>
>>> | > | | > | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:45:05 AM
>>> | > | | > | Subject: Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
>>> | > | | > | SqueakSource3
>>> | > | | > |
>>> | > | | > | > Searching for Projects does not work either but it seems
>>> | > | | > | > to
>>> | > | | > | > hang
>>> | > | | > | > the
>>> | > | | > | > browser rather than producing no results.
>>> | > | | > |
>>> | > | | > | Ok, right after I hit send, the search for Projects came
>>> | > | | > | back.
>>> | > | | > |  It
>>> | > | | > | took > 60 seconds.
>>> | > | | > |
>>> | > | | >
>>> | > | |
>>> | > | |
>>> | > |
>>> | > |
>>> | >
>>> |
>>> |




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