Here is a project that make it possible to load external files with
Monticello.
I does not do versioning of the external files AFIK
http://www.squeaksource.com/TFFiler/


Karl


On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich at vmware.com> wrote:

> Monticello has been an indispensable tool for Smalltalk ... but there are
> things that it does not manage:
>
>   multi mcz file projects
>   non-code artifacts
>
> Anything that falls outside of a single mcz file is not managed by
> Monticello. You are on your own.
>
> FileTree preserves many of the advantages of using Monticello, while
> leveraging git to solve the multiple package and non-code artifact issues.
> See my talk[1] for more details.
>
> Dale
>
> [1]
> http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/practical-git-for-smalltalk-stic-2012/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "H. Hirzel" <hannes.hirzel at gmail.com>
> | To: "Chris Muller" <ma.chris.m at gmail.com>
> | Cc: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" <
> squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> | Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:44:02 AM
> | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
> SqueakSource3
> |
> | Regarding the  MontiCello (MC) paradigm: Dale H. has stated that git,
> | github and other distributed version control systems like Mercurial
> | and MC can coexist
> |
> | cf FileTree (in SqueakMap for 4.4, not a new information for you, I
> | assume)
> |
> | A smooth transition taking 1...5 years is possible....Nobody should
> | feel forced.
> |
> | For example Eliot M. says that MC is indispensable for his work.
> | As for me I must say that MC works fine.
> |
> | And the MC files may be stored on web sites as well like Colin P. and
> | Lukas N. do with their artifacts.
> |
> | BTW this reinforces the point that more support for SqueakMap is
> | needed for 2013.
> |
> | --Hannes
> |
> |
> |
> | On 1/4/13, Chris Muller <ma.chris.m at gmail.com> wrote:
> | >> The number as such is of some significance that we can expose our
> | >> work
> | >> to a large audience.
> | >
> | > Yes, I should not have said "nothing".  I just inadvertently
> | > overstated what I think should be the focus if we are to achieve
> | > escape-velocity to break us away from our current MC paradigm --
> | > namely that it can't be a "compromise" to our overall SCM
> | > capability,
> | > it must be an ^improvement^ even in from strictly a Smalltalk
> | > development perspective.  Which, it sounds like, Dale has almost
> | > achieved that goal, so exposure to 1M users will be great icing.
> | >
> | >
> | >> Smalltalk is no 46 on the github languages list.
> | >>
> | >> https://github.com/languages/Smalltalk
> | >>
> | >> Otherwise I agree with you.
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>> but some of the functionality; the idea of
> | >>> being able to fork anyone's work and cherry-pick from other
> | >>> forks,
> | >>> etc. as well as the server-continuity all sounds really great.
> | >>
> | >> Actually Monticello works fine locally but the infrastructure at
> | >> the
> | >> moment is weak.
> | >>
> | >> www.squeaksource.com cannot accept new projects.
> | >>
> | >> ss3 is alpha and Dale does not have time.
> | >>
> | >> Smalltalkhub does not have enough people to work on it.
> | >>
> | >> No RESTful URL's
> | >>
> | >> If we want to focus on e.g. making Etoys unlodable, Environments,
> | >> Altitude etc we need to rely on well supported source code
> | >> management.
> | >>
> | >> And for example SqueakMap is still a good project but support is
> | >> weak as
> | >> well.
> | >> Goran is around from time to time and has an interest in doing
> | >> something but in the end he does is very small.
> | >>
> | >> And Chris, you wrote that you want to work on it in 2013. This is
> | >> great
> | >> news.
> | >>
> | >> I assume SqueakMap probably does not need much more investment to
> | >> become very useful
> | >> tool again. In particular in connection with github.
> | >>
> | >> We could actually store just plain *.mcz files there as well. Not
> | >> fully the intended use of github but probably a step in a smooth
> | >> transition for Squeak programmers.
> | >>
> | >> And then start using FileTree of course.
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> --Hannes
> | >>
> | >>>
> | >>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Dale Henrichs
> | >>> <dhenrich at vmware.com>
> | >>> wrote:
> | >>>> The two current challenges at the moment are Metacello/git
> | >>>> integration
> | >>>> and
> | >>>> in-image support for git operations.
> | >>>>
> | >>>> The Metacello Preview represents my current take on integrating
> | >>>> Metacello
> | >>>> and git/github ... I like most of what I have, but there are a
> | >>>> few
> | >>>> things
> | >>>> that I'm not happy with and that will need work before it's
> | >>>> ready for
> | >>>> primetime...
> | >>>>
> | >>>> There has been work done by Max Leske and Camillo Bruni to
> | >>>> provide a
> | >>>> FileSystem-based access to git, but I haven't had the time to
> | >>>> play with
> | >>>> this yet ...
> | >>>>
> | >>>> At this point in time, things are usable by pioneers who are
> | >>>> willing to
> | >>>> put up with a few hardships:)
> | >>>>
> | >>>> Dale
> | >>>>
> | >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> | >>>> | From: "Frank Shearar" <frank.shearar at gmail.com>
> | >>>> | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
> | >>>> <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> | >>>> | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 9:00:01 AM
> | >>>> | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or
> | >>>> | Versions on
> | >>>> SqueakSource3
> | >>>> |
> | >>>> | On 3 January 2013 16:52, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich at vmware.com>
> | >>>> | wrote:
> | >>>> | > Chris,
> | >>>> | >
> | >>>> | > Where _do_ I spend my cycles? (you may ask)
> | >>>> | >
> | >>>> | > Working on opening up git/github to smalltalkers.
> | >>>> | >
> | >>>> | > github has over 1,000,000 users and 100+ folks work at
> | >>>> | > github
> | >>>> | > maintaining and developing the site ... How many full-time
> | >>>> | > developers are there for SqueakSource3 or SmalltalkHub?
> | >>>> | >
> | >>>> | > Besides that, in my opinion, the combination of git/github
> | >>>> | > is
> | >>>> | > superior to anything we have.
> | >>>> | >
> | >>>> | > Finally, I believe that if and when the Smalltalk community
> | >>>> | > adapts
> | >>>> | > to git/github, Smalltalk as a development environment will
> | >>>> | > become
> | >>>> | > much more accessible to developers in general which can only
> | >>>> | > be a
> | >>>> | > good thing...
> | >>>> |
> | >>>> | It's worth reminding people that filetree works just great as
> | >>>> | a
> | >>>> | Monticello back end (and does so right now). When you're
> | >>>> | developing,
> | >>>> | you're unaware that there's file system swizzling to a git
> | >>>> | repository.
> | >>>> | And if you use Dale's builderCI version, you can hook up to
> | >>>> | Travis CI
> | >>>> | and get continuous integration for free.
> | >>>> |
> | >>>> | Gitocello too works great: the tradeoff is that filetree
> | >>>> | versions
> | >>>> | semantic units while Gitocell versions chunk-format fileouts.
> | >>>> |
> | >>>> | frank
> | >>>> |
> | >>>> | > Dale
> | >>>> | >
> | >>>> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | >>>> | > | From: "Dale Henrichs" <dhenrich at vmware.com>
> | >>>> | > | To: "ma chris m" <ma.chris.m at gmail.com>, "The
> | >>>> | > | general-purpose
> | >>>> | > | Squeak developers list"
> | >>>> | > | <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> | >>>> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:08:05 AM
> | >>>> | > | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or
> | >>>> | > | Versions
> | >>>> | > | on   SqueakSource3
> | >>>> | > |
> | >>>> | > | Chris,
> | >>>> | > |
> | >>>> | > | One other point that may not be clear ...
> | >>>> | > |
> | >>>> | > | I am not the developer/maintainer of SqueakSource3 ... I
> | >>>> | > | administer
> | >>>> | > | the ss3 site.
> | >>>> | > |
> | >>>> | > | I don't have the cycles to take on the ongoing development
> | >>>> | > | of
> | >>>> | > | SqueakSource3 and rely on other developers for that ...
> | >>>> | > |
> | >>>> | > | So when I say that ss3 will be supported "forever" I am
> | >>>> | > | talking
> | >>>> | > | about
> | >>>> | > | keeping the site operational "forever", not about fixing
> | >>>> | > | bugs and
> | >>>> | > | adding new features to SqueakSource3 ... someone else has
> | >>>> | > | to take
> | >>>> | > | on
> | >>>> | > | that job ....
> | >>>> | > |
> | >>>> | > | Dale
> | >>>> | > |
> | >>>> | > | ----- Original Message -----
> | >>>> | > | | From: "Chris Muller" <asqueaker at gmail.com>
> | >>>> | > | | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
> | >>>> | > | | <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> | >>>> | > | | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:41:56 PM
> | >>>> | > | | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Cannot search Projects or
> | >>>> | > | | Versions on
> | >>>> | > | |     SqueakSource3
> | >>>> | > | |
> | >>>> | > | | Dale, will SS3 still be supported even after
> | >>>> | > | | SmalltalkHub comes
> | >>>> | > | | on-line?
> | >>>> | > | |
> | >>>> | > | | On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Dale Henrichs
> | >>>> | > | | <dhenrich at vmware.com>
> | >>>> | > | | wrote:
> | >>>> | > | | > Chris,
> | >>>> | > | | >
> | >>>> | > | | > Non-optimized search is one of the "features" of the
> | >>>> | > | | > Alpha
> | >>>> | > | | > status
> | >>>> | > | | > of ss3.
> | >>>> | > | | >
> | >>>> | > | | > One of these days I will find the time to optimize the
> | >>>> | > | | > project
> | >>>> | > | | > search among other things .... In the past when my
> | >>>> | > | | > time has
> | >>>> | > | | > opened
> | >>>> | > | | > up, either Tobias didn't have time available or it
> | >>>> | > | | > looked
> | >>>> | > | | > like
> | >>>> | > | | > SmalltalkHub would come online ...
> | >>>> | > | | >
> | >>>> | > | | > Ah well, I suppose the quickest way to get
> | >>>> | > | | > SmalltalkHub to
> | >>>> | > | | > come
> | >>>> | > | | > online is for me to start work on ss3:)
> | >>>> | > | | >
> | >>>> | > | | > Dale
> | >>>> | > | | >
> | >>>> | > | | > ----- Original Message -----
> | >>>> | > | | > | From: "Chris Muller" <asqueaker at gmail.com>
> | >>>> | > | | > | To: "squeak dev"
> | >>>> | > | | > | <squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> | >>>> | > | | > | Cc: "Dale Henrichs" <dhenrich at vmware.com>
> | >>>> | > | | > | Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:45:05 AM
> | >>>> | > | | > | Subject: Re: Cannot search Projects or Versions on
> | >>>> | > | | > | SqueakSource3
> | >>>> | > | | > |
> | >>>> | > | | > | > Searching for Projects does not work either but it
> | >>>> | > | | > | > seems
> | >>>> | > | | > | > to
> | >>>> | > | | > | > hang
> | >>>> | > | | > | > the
> | >>>> | > | | > | > browser rather than producing no results.
> | >>>> | > | | > |
> | >>>> | > | | > | Ok, right after I hit send, the search for Projects
> | >>>> | > | | > | came
> | >>>> | > | | > | back.
> | >>>> | > | | > |  It
> | >>>> | > | | > | took > 60 seconds.
> | >>>> | > | | > |
> | >>>> | > | | >
> | >>>> | > | |
> | >>>> | > | |
> | >>>> | > |
> | >>>> | > |
> | >>>> | >
> | >>>> |
> | >>>> |
> | >>>>
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >
> |
> |
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