[squeak-dev] Re: Squeak 4.4 Question

Yanni Chiu yanni at rogers.com
Wed Jan 16 21:44:30 UTC 2013


On 16/01/13 1:38 PM, Frank Shearar wrote:
>
> (It's supposed to be possible to deploy images without sources files.
> I haven't been able to get this to work for me. That, too, would
> satisfy me.)

I keep the .sources files with the VM, and never have to download a
.sources file for new releases. If I didn't want to save the space, I
would have all the previous squeak .sources there too. Right now,
there's just PharoV10.sources and SqueakV41.sources.

Assuming condense sources is done in the future, when would the
SqueakV4x.sources start to appear? Once the first release candidate is
declared? Or, just after the final release candidate?

>
> It's an alias for 12327, sure. I don't want it to be an alias going
> forward. I want it to be the actual proper sources file for the 4.4
> releases.

It's premature to introduce SqueakV44.sources, on the faint hope that in
the near future, the non-destructive condense sources will appear. In my
experience, I've seen lots of baggage get introduced, in preparation for
when the rewrite, improved, etc. thing appears - and then it doesn't.
But, we get stuck with the "prep" stuff (i.e. multiple copies of 
SqueakV41.sources, with different names).

> And when the next release comes out, and I delete
> Squeak4.4-12327.zip, I'll delete the SqueakV41.sources and the alias
>  problem will disappear!

"delete" a release! That sounds like a completely wrong process.

IIUC, 4.4 is now released. It uses SqueakV41.sources. Now you want to
release another 4.4 that uses SqueakV44.sources - that is exactly the
same as SqueakV41.sources. Doesn't that create further confusion? I
don't see why this can't be addressed in 4.5.


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