Am 07.03.2013 um 14:58 schrieb Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>:

> On 2013-03-06, at 18:15, Tobias Pape <Das.Linux at gmx.de> wrote:
> 
>> Am 06.03.2013 um 18:06 schrieb David Corking <lists at dcorking.com>:
>> 
>>> I read Paul's lists of external plugins. Thanks: I, for one,
>>> appreciate the attention to detail.
>>> 
>>> (1) I recall that there was a plan to include the four Scratch
>>> plugins, such as Camera, in Squeak 4.4 . I don't know if we have code
>>> in the image that requires them, but they may encourage interesting
>>> new packages, or smooth the way for the port of Etoys to trunk.
>>> 
>>> Please consider adding them in 4.4 or 4.5 all-in-ones.
>>> 
>>> (2) Cog VMs list of externals seem shorter. Unless Eliot has built the
>>> others as internals, Cog VMs may miss important functionality. For
>>> example, Linux users could get crashes without the pulse audio plugin.
>>> (There are workarounds in one version of Bert's launcher script, but I
>>> don't know if they are well tested, or if that version of the script
>>> can be included in the All-in-One.) I think all platforms will miss
>>> Kedama.
>>> 
>>> Please mention in the release notes that (for now) users who download
>>> the Cog all-in-one will trade functionality for speed.
>>> 
>>> (3) Tobias Pape wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think Bert has advised you correctly. My recollection is that the
>>> "Cocoa Interpreter VM" line of development was abandoned in favour of
>>> the Cog VM (I remember hearing that Xcode had some idiosyncrasies that
>>> made it difficult to achieve quite the same level of quality as the
>>> 'Carbon VM' but that isn't important now.) The 'Carbon VM' interpreter
>>> Squeak 4.2.5beta1U.app as linked works fine in OS X.
>>> 
>> 
>> Now I am quite puzzled. The sqMacMain.c of the Carbon VM states quite clearly:
>> 
>> #error Hi, you are building an obsolete version of the macintosh VM. 
>> #error Instead use the xCode projects found in the iOS folder 
>> #error Remove these error defines if you really need to build this obsolete 4.x VM
>> 
>> (as of SVN revision 2287)
> 
> Nobody built that Mac interpreter VM in ages. Current XCode doesn't even ship a PPC tool chain anymore, so you cannot easily build it even if you wanted. Same for the 5.4.x series really (which also is more than 2 years old).
> 

I somehow managed to get a 5.4.x vm built, I wanted to play around with the 
grapical backend.

How is the Mac CogVM built, then? Does it use vmmaker platform/iOS or something?
Eliot?

> In short, there is no up-to-date interpreter VM for the Mac, indeed. Nor is there an official one for Windows, unless I'm mistaken. The only current ones are on Linux.

 :(

Best
	-Tobias