[squeak-dev] Re: [lively-kernel] product environment for educational apps

Brad Fuller brad at bradfuller.com
Thu Mar 21 17:16:29 UTC 2013


On 3/21/2013 10:12 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
> Hi Brad, got it. Your IT dep't needs fired;)
>
> You can totally use Lively Kernel, but you may have to deal with some 
> rough edges.
>
> Another possible option -- I remember John Maloney mentioning on a 
> podcast that they were examining reimplementing Scratch using web 
> technologies -- but I don't follow Scratch as closely as the other 
> stuff, so I don't know about the status of that effort.

Would that be Snap?
http://snap.berkeley.edu/
>
> On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Brad Fuller <brad at bradfuller.com 
> <mailto:brad at bradfuller.com>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the reply, Casey,
>>
>> The particular issue I have with squeak is it's issue of accessing 
>> the Internet securely - school IT departments have an issue - they 
>> don't know who/what/ squeak is and going through the red tape is a 
>> potential problem.  And the web-browser plugin was always a bit of an 
>> issue as well. I don't know if anyone is working on the plugin for 
>> web browsers... but I want to deploy for easy inclusion in a 
>> browser... or at the very least connect to the net.
>>
>> I don't usually cross-post, but I've included this msg on the 
>> Squeak-dev ML since you advocate the use of etoys in a production 
>> environment (which I admit I haven't actually defined what 
>> "production" means)
>>
>> thanks again,
>> brad
>>
>> On 3/21/2013 3:08 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
>>> Etoys is in real use in real schools all over the place. I use it as 
>>> a replacement for HyperCard at times myself. If you can be more 
>>> specific about what's making you nervous about Etoys, that might 
>>> help folks steer you in the right direction. If you pull up the 
>>> preferences browser via the halo on the Etoys desktop, search for 
>>> etoyfriendly, and disable it, you'll unlock the underlying Smalltalk 
>>> programming environment (Squeak.) Squeak is *definitely* production 
>>> (or maybe "product") worthy.
>>>
>>> Another system which is a bit easier to learn, but generally less 
>>> powerful, is Scratch.
>>>
>>> Lively Kernel is a research system, so it's less likely to be 
>>> "product like" than those two if that's what you're looking for.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Brad Fuller <brad at bradfuller.com 
>>> <mailto:brad at bradfuller.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi All,
>>>
>>>     New to the list. Have several questions that Dan suggested you
>>>     would have great insight.
>>>
>>>     I'm researching better ways to help kids experientially learn
>>>     (K-8 primarily but up to college is planned). I have not yet
>>>     found a platform or system better than etoys. But, etoys is not
>>>     quite a production platform. And, I would like platform/system
>>>     to be accessible everywhere. I've also contemplated deploying
>>>     Django and writing the apps in Python.
>>>
>>>     My questions: are there better alternatives? Could you offer
>>>     avenues for further research into a production system? Would the
>>>     lively-kernel be a good alternative? Or will it continue to be a
>>>     prototyping system? Could I start a demo on lively-kernel and
>>>     expect I could port it to a production environment (that is if
>>>     lively-kernel or facsimile is planned for production.)
>>>
>>>     Thanks much!
>>>     brad
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Brad Fuller brad at bradfuller.com <mailto:brad at bradfuller.com>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Casey Ransberger
>>
>>
>
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