> Well, no, but English has a habit (as in the thing that nuns wear) of
> overloading names. Put the boot into your boots, and put them in my
> car's boot. Lead by example, with those lead boots. But we still
> manage to make sense of it.
>
> And hence, and henceforth, "hence" will remain "in the future" and "therefore".

(I enjoyed our Saturday afternoon bikeshed too, just one more back at ya!)

I have no disagreement here.  But a good and common way to make
decisions is to keep a "scorecard" and, at least for the round of
Ambiguity, fromNow won.  You point out that ambiguity is the nature of
English, which I totally agree with, but that does not change the
scorecard of that "round" which rates less ambiguity as better than
more.

I have no general disagreement with the abstracts Colin said on his
soapbox about naming either, it's just that the abstracts weren't tied
in to the concrete to help us understand _why_ hence is better.  Just
assertions that it is.  To continue with the UFC analogy, the
decisions are made by evaluating the scorecard, not necessarily by the
fighter who raised his arms in victory the moment after the final bell
sounded.  :)

Having said that, a happy and amicable Colin is important to us all,
so there is a point for #hence.  :)


>
> frank
>
> (I do love a good bikeshed.)
>
> On 4 May 2013 20:23, Chris Muller <asqueaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Exactly.  For example, just searching the Squeak list for the word
>> hence, the first one I picked randomly, someone used it in this
>> sentence:
>>
>>    "So, the answer will be different and hence it is not the same."
>>
>> Clearly, that usage of the word hence is not describing "a point in
>> time relative to now."
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:09 AM, karl ramberg <karlramberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hence have other meanings and could be ambiguous hence I suggest we do not
>>> use it.
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 4 May 2013 08:34, Colin Putney <colin at wiresong.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Chris Muller <asqueaker at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "hence" is equally meaningful as "fromNow", but more old-world
>>>> >> sounding.  I think "ago" and "fromNow" are more compatible with each
>>>> >> other in terms of modern language use.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > No!
>>>> >
>>>> > "Hence" is the proper the proper and perfectly cromulent antonym for
>>>> > "ago."
>>>> > The fact that many people use circumlocutions to compensate for a
>>>> > deficient
>>>> > vocabulary does not mitigate this truth.
>>>>
>>>> Eschew obfuscation! Espouse elucidation!
>>>>
>>>> I back Colin's position with moderate strength; a compromise would be
>>>> to have both :) #fromNow would delegate to #hence, of course.
>>>>
>>>> frank
>>>>
>>>> > Colin
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
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