Hi Damien,

First, I do not insult anyone and certainly praise the ESUG and you guys
for all work you are doing. On the other side I cannot go over bad
things happening like this one. Unacceptable behavior must be exposed
and treated accordingly, as I said this is needed for any community to
stay healthy long-term.

> ESUG might have done a mistake giving 5000€ to the students and not
> the amount that people voted for. I should have paid more attention to
> that and I apologize. That's all I will apologize for.

Thanks for your apologize, it is appreciated. Still I think we deserve
an apologize from those who spreaded privately and publicly the 'we lost
money' claim.

> Now, I want to have details about your message. What do you mean by
> "blatantly unethical behavior"? At which point have we been unethical?

This is story from GSoC 2010, a first GSoC I run as admin. Because it is
so blatant, I give to the main actor a first word, then I'll explain and
put on table my side of the story and arguments.

In any case, this story is main reason  that I started then already
pushing Smalltalk GSoC to be as independent as possible, with current
rename to Smalltalk proposal as a culmination.

Best regards
Janko


Dne 10. 02. 2014 10:40, piše Damien Cassou:
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si> wrote:
>> This matter is actually very important for Smalltalk community, because
>> it exposes nontransparent, meddling behind the scenes, and in some cases
>> blatantly unethical behavior of some ESUG board members.
> 
> I thank you for your efforts running the GSoC marathon every year.
> 
> Nevertheless, as a member of the board I feel insulted again by you
> Janko. I'm tired spending hours doing work for everyone and get such a
> message as an answer
> 
> 
> Now, I want to have details about your message. What do you mean by
> "blatantly unethical behavior"? At which point have we been unethical?
> 
> Last time we talked about the representation of the Smalltalk
> community in the ESUG board, I asked people from other communities to
> apply and come work with us
> (http://lists.esug.org/pipermail/esug-list_lists.esug.org/2012-July/001849.html).
> Nobody applied! I will ask again, thanks for the remainder. Who is
> going to take care of ESUG if we focus on taking care of Pharo?
> 
> Please stop insulting people. If you want to stop organizing the GSoC
> for the Smalltalk community just say it clearly and we will all thank
> you for the effort you have put in during this last years. But if you
> want to continue, please do it with ESUG as this is what the ESUG
> community seems to want if I analyse the answers you got to the recent
> threads.
>