[squeak-dev] Re: The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
Stéphane Ducasse
stephane.ducasse at inria.fr
Mon Feb 10 14:28:12 UTC 2014
On 10 Feb 2014, at 11:57, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si> wrote:
> Dne 10. 02. 2014 11:08, piše Stéphane Ducasse:
>
>> Janko CAN YOU STOP!
>>
>> "blatantly unethical behavior”
>> Really
>>
>> Stef
>
> Stef, we are waiting to you. Will you tell us your part of the story
> about your GSoC 2010 act or shall I start by myself?
What?
What are you talking about?
Janko can you stop to systematically insult me because you are.
Stef
>
> Janko
>
>>> Phil,
>
>>> This matter is actually very important for Smalltalk community,
>>> because it exposes nontransparent, meddling behind the scenes,
>>> and in some cases blatantly unethical behavior of some ESUG board
>>> members. Which is certainly bad for our community on long term.
>
>>> Such matters need to be clarified and some conclusions to be made for a
>>> community to preserve health and go on. Otherwise you are drowning into
>>> murky waters more and more.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Janko
>>>
>>> Dne 10. 02. 2014 09:12, piše phil at highoctane.be
>>> <mailto:phil at highoctane.be>:
>>>> Guys,
>>>>
>>>> From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in
>>>> the kindergarten.
>>>>
>>>> All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward.
>>>> Backwards, there is a fair chance.
>>>>
>>>> Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk.
>>>>
>>>> Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to
>>>> fight over for an European org... (rolleyes).
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:luc.fabresse at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:luc.fabresse at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Janko,
>>>>
>>>> I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4
>>>> extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave
>>>> up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin).
>>>> So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate
>>>> last year BUT we were willing to spend it.
>>>>
>>>> Luc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek at eranova.si
>>>> <mailto:janko.mivsek at eranova.si>
>>>> <mailto:janko.mivsek at eranova.si>>:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be
>>>> blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and
>>>> misguided.
>>>>
>>>> Facts namely are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1]
>>>> while
>>>> ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any
>>>> report
>>>> back to GSoC mentors,
>>>>
>>>> 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the
>>>> pool for
>>>> paying extra projects [2][3].
>>>>
>>>> Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is:
>>>>
>>>> Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD
>>>> GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 13.000 USD
>>>>
>>>> Expenses:
>>>> Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD
>>>>
>>>> Difference: + 4.000 USD
>>>>
>>>> If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't
>>>> loose any
>>>> money but gain 4.000 USD.
>>>>
>>>> Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to
>>>> apologize to
>>>> you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!
>>>>
>>>> Janko
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg
>>>> [2]
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8
>>>> [3]
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------
>>>>> FACTS
>>>>>
>>>>> As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer.
>>>>> So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC
>>>>> projects in 2013.
>>>>>
>>>>> ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted
>>>> by Google.
>>>>> In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and
>>>> Benjamin Arezki.
>>>>>
>>>>> All in all we paid:
>>>>> - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular
>>>> GSOC) each
>>>>> projects
>>>>> - Serge trip to Mentor summit
>>>>>
>>>>> And we received 5552EUR from Google
>>>>>
>>>>> so yes we lost ~6582EUR
>>>>> That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we
>>>>> sponsorized 3.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc
>>>> mentor
>>>>> summit because it participates to the fact that Google
>>>> recognizes ESUG
>>>>> ang gives slots the next year.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is alos important to note dates.
>>>>> ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google.
>>>>> It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------
>>>>> FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:
>>>>>
>>>>> As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my
>>>> *own* time
>>>>> and it takes a lot!
>>>>> I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all
>>>> falvors!)
>>>>> is a really great language that should be more widespread.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also completely open to discussions.
>>>>> The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status.
>>>>> I can do errors too.
>>>>> So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!
>>>>>
>>>>> I cannot admit that:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly
>>>> directed
>>>>> against the treasurer so me.
>>>>> And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I
>>>> hide or
>>>>> steal money make me think that I should better quit.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would
>>>> have done a
>>>>> mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK
>>>> ME for
>>>>> DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any
>>>>>
>>>>> - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started
>>>> yesterday and I
>>>>> am spending my week-end with my kids
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am really fed up with this kind of attitude.
>>>>> Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the
>>>> problems together
>>>>> if any.
>>>>> But I think it will never happen...
>>>>>
>>>>> #Luc
>>>>> The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end
>>>> in bad mood
>
>
> --
> Janko Mivšek
> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team
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