Göran, I could never feel hostility toward you.  What I do/did feel
about deleting projects is some "urgency" to speak before you pushed
the delete button.

If you are the _sole_ admin (and sole developer), sure, the decision
is yours, but the subject if this thread is about _Andreas'_ projects
and what to do.  You suggested 1) gain access, 2) copy to new repo, 3)
delete old repo.  If we are talking about Andreas' projects, then I'm
strongly opposed to 3.  If we weren't, then I apologize for my
misunderstanding.

I'm also opposed to (1) only to the extent it mutates any objects
Andreas made.  If we could get by with ONLY adding new versions to a
project, then that'd only be extending Andreas' original work without
modifying it, probably fine.  Otherwise, I think we should extend it
in a new project of our own, and add or update appropriate entries in
the catalog.

We could _try_ to do catalog management by deleting projects from SS
or leaving notes to go look somewhere else, but in a community and
license that encourages copy-and-modify, that is a futile and
certainly lame way to do cataloging, because a new project with the
same or similar name would spring up and lead to the same or similar
confusion you're trying to avoid for someone looking for Göran's code.

For others' projects for which we have no admin access, it simply
doesn't work at all, because its wrong to break in and molest their
space.



On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Göran Krampe <goran at krampe.se> wrote:
> Hi Chris and all!
>
> On 02/13/2014 05:25 PM, Chris Muller wrote:
> [SNIP]
>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> ...and btw, adding notes on Projects on SS that they are dead and
>>>> pointing
>>>> to StHub was a good idea BUT... my notes are gone. Probably due to SS
>>>> restarted and losing data. Hmmm, I think I will delete my old projects
>>>> simply.
>>
>>
>> Please do not delete old projects from SqueakSource.  Just because YOU
>> don't access "old code" because you use Pharo doesn't mean others
>> don't access it using Squeak.  Pleaes feel free to *copy* projects
>> there, but "moving" projects presumes and intrudes way too much.
>
>
> A lot of misconceptions above:
>
> 1. I use both Squeak and Pharo, both at work (3DICC) and for pleasure. What
> has that got to do with SS? AFAIK SS doesn't care.
>
> 2. My own personal projects are probably my own to decide over, right? My
> whole point was described in another reply to Levente (note that I am now
> talking about my own account, not Andreas):
>
> - I don't trust SS (and that is my choice)
> - I can't create new projects there and I want to use a single service
> - I don't want people to find a stale StompProtocol project when the current
> place for StompProtocol is on StHub
> - StHub works just as fine as an MC source as SS
>
> Now, what I *did* was that I added a bold note on each project that I had
> copied over - so that people would see that "Oh, this is not maintained".
> Now, those notes *ALL DISAPPEARED*. This is why I am now contemplating
> removal of the projects instead.
>
>
>> In fact, I think we should remove the ability to delete projects from SS.
>
>
> What?!
>
>
>> As original creator of Squeak's software catalog, you know better than
>> anyone that a software Catalog is the proper way to document what
>> versions work for what platform and where they can be installed from.
>
>
> Its not that easy anymore - SqueakMap is not used outside of Squeak (Pharo),
> and I would dare say its not even used 100% in the Squeak community.
>
> Further - it doesn't matter - I should be free to choose which repository I
> use for my code, don't you agree? If you want to copy my projects and
> publish them in your account - feel free to do so.
>
> But preventing me from moving my primary repo to somewhere else than SS is
> ... rude to say the least.
>
>
>>> Not all projects are dead on squeaksource.com. If you don't plan to
>>> update
>>> your projects there, then add a pointer to the new repository. Deleting
>>> the
>>> projects will not help at all.
>>
>>
>> +1.
>
>
> See my response to that, I *did* and it got removed. See?
>
> Sigh... why are people suddenly so hostile?
>
> regards, Göran
>