It seemed to me that smalltalk has always had the opportunity to avoid the
pitfalls of packaging that product-oriented projects are concerned with.
This seems tied up with the contradictory relation between the
(democratically) relatedness of ideas and the (capitalist) constraints of
money.

If you look at a page of text, there are no namespaces.  There are no use
of words with arbitrarily assigned word-forms.  The spaces (relations) are
between the words (and even between the letters).  The accessibility is
largely subjective (knowing the meaning of a word), the accessibility is
not a package.

It seems to me that the practice of giving a package a vivid or redolent
name (which may have nothing to do with its etymology) is falling into the
package mentality twice over -- not only is a package built, but it is then
sold through the imitation of a viral meme.

So I would say that its "hidden" nature is of more magnitude than that.

But as Ben says.  Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance.

Best,
Huw



On 7 December 2015 at 15:38, Ben Coman <btc at openinworld.com> wrote:

> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :)
> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden.
> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance.
> cheers -ben
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers
> <robert.w.withers at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding work to
> > focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki:
> > https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki
> >
> > thanks,Robert
> >
> >
> > On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers
> >> <robert.w.withers at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers
> >>>> <robert.w.withers at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. Additionally, the
> >>>>> number
> >>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just port
> >>>>> SecureSession and bits.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the egregious ...
> >>>>> presenting ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Maelstrom"
> >>>>
> >>>> Great sounding name.  However some general advice for the community,
> >>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in the
> >>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe.  A litmus test for project
> >>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search results.
> >>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of a
> >>>> name.  So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best.
> >>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like.  Here are
> >>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are required
> >>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)...
> >>>>
> >>>> "maelstrom"    --> 7,480,000
> >>>> "maelstroom"  --> 6,200
> >>>> "maelstrum"    --> 2,280
> >>>> "maelstruum"  --> 7
> >>>>
> >>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on:
> >>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names.
> >>>>
> >>>> cheers -ben
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, though
> it
> >>> may
> >>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"?
> >>>
> >>> cheers,
> >>> Robert
> >>>
> >>>
> >> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;)  You need to own it.
> >>
> >> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but
> >> maybe jarring next the the "m".  I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I
> >> associate it with "zoom".  I wouldn't necessarily go for the absolute
> >> lowest results.  I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that
> >> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once a
> >> user's browsing history is taken into account.  Finally you need to
> >> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do
> >> this).
> >>
> >> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search.  Its quick and
> >> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below.
> >> "maelstra" --> 3,560
> >> "maelstram" --> 504
> >> "maelstrim" --> 1200
> >> "maelstroon" --> 58
> >> "maelstroomi" --> 4
> >>
> >> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be
> >> susceptible to real typing errors.
> >>
> >> cheers -ben
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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