On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:27:27PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:16:55PM -0500, David T. Lewis wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 09:31:49PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 10:47:43AM -0500, David T. Lewis wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 09:02:35PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
> > > > > considering the *great* graphics and animation support available under 
> > > > > squeak, would it be difficult to mould the squeak 'ui' to adhere to 
> > > > > material design guidelines [1] from google?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1. http://www.google.com/design/spec/material-design/introduction.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > ~mayuresh
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Designing and implementing user interfaces tends to be a lot of work, but
> > > > aside from that I so no reason that it could not be done.
> > > > 
> > > > One of the nice aspects of Squeak (often overlooked) is that it provides
> > > > a concept of "projects" in which different types of user interface
> > > > environments can be implemented. You can open a Morphic project or an
> > > > MVC project, and the system will look and feel quite different depending
> > > > which kind of project you are currently using. The concept can be extended
> > > > to other kinds of UI implementation, such as the one you are suggesting
> > > > here.
> > > > 
> > > > I am cross-posting to the squeak-dev list, which is probably a better
> > > > place to continue the discussion.
> > > > 
> > > > Dave
> > > 
> > > okay, since i am still self-training for smalltalk and all stuff squeak,
> > > would like to know if the preferred approach be to create my own project
> > > and do what i want with it without crippling the rest of my system
> > > image?
> > 
> > Hi Mayuresh,
> > 
> > Start by doing this:
> > 
> > 	Project current explore
> > 
> > This will give you an explorer on your current project. This corresponds
> > to everything that you are interacting with on your Squeak display right
> > now.
> > 
> > If you have created other projects, they will be linked together though
> > the nextProject, previousProject, and parentProject that you see in the
> > explorer.
> > 
> > You will also see a uiManager in your explorer. Your current project is
> > probably an instance of MorphicProject, and the UI manager will be an
> > instance of MorphicUIManager. The two cooperate to manage the Morphic
> > user interface. If you were in an MVC project (try it) you would have an
> > MVCProject that has an MVCUIManager.
> > 
> > If you browse the class hierarchy for both Project and UIManager, you
> > will see that these are abstract classes that have subclasses to represent
> > the Morphic and MVC user interfaces. There is also a related ToolBuilder
> > hierarchy that is used for creating the the Morphic or MVC tools (browsers,
> > debuggers, and so forth).
> > 
> > To create a different kind of user interface, you would want to create
> > new kinds of Project and UIManager, and maybe also ToolBuilder. One way
> > to get started would be to subclass the existing MorphicProject and
> > MorphicUIManager, and start changing those subclasses a little bit at
> > a time until you achieve the behavior you want.
> > 
> > Your new kind of Project would be activated through the Squeak menus. I
> > will not try to explain that now, but if you look at the toolbar at the
> > top of the Squeak window, you  will see:
> > 
> >   Project
> >        -> New Project
> >             -> New MVCProject
> >             -> New MorphicProject
> > 
> > So you would add your new kind of project into the menus:
> > 
> >   Project
> >        -> New Project
> >             -> New MVCProject
> >             -> New MorphicProject
> >             -> New MaterialDesignProject
> > 
> > And more generally, we might hope some day to see a few other kinds
> > of projects:
> > 
> >   Project
> >        -> New Project
> >             -> New MVCProject
> >             -> New MorphicProject
> >             -> New MaterialDesignProject
> >             -> New ScratchProject
> >             -> New EtoysProject
> >             -> New Morphic3Project
> >             -> New SeasideProject
> > 
> > Dave
> 
> hello dave,
> 
> "Project current explore" is definitely cool, i did not know about it.
> 
> as i'd mentioned, i am still quite some time away from completing my
> self-training in smalltalk using squeak, post which i would need to
> spend a considerable amount of time gaining experience, and i guess
> that's when i would be ready to dive in to work on creating my own
> user interface.
> 
> i am quite impressed with the work done on "thirdway", an extension of
> the 'mvc' project world, and i hope to become atleast as good as the
> creator of that project.

I think you mean this project by Boris Gaertner:

http://bgaertner.gmxhome.de/twinfo.html
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1829

It looks very interesting, although I do not know if the code is still
available.


> 
> thanks for your detailed response, it was quite nice of you.
>

Good luck with your self-training. That is how I learned Smalltalk and
Squeak also. Keep asking questions :-)

Dave