-1.  No ghost grabbing please.  Squeak is not Windows 10.  Window
contents don't overlap with the grips.  The close-box is not
"content".

Changing the mouse to resize shape when one is adjacent to the resizer
just plain looks like a bug.  The environment should have a
"physicality" to it that users can relate to.  No one clicks *next* to
something to grab it.

Why does Microsoft continue to pursue such insanity?  Too much
overdesign zeal?  The big tablet dumb-down?   They turn one UI feature
into a problem, and then they gotta "solve" it, by introducing another
problem...  Like what happened with those disasterous "auto maximize"
features in Windows 8 / Ubuntu Unity.  The same was already available
by clicking maximize and then sizing the window down along 1 dimension
which is flexible, easy and consistent with the existing window
management gestures.

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 12:44 AM, marcel.taeumel <Marcel.Taeumel at hpi.de> wrote:
> Bert Freudenberg wrote
>>> On 25.03.2016, at 19:28, tim Rowledge &lt;
>
>> tim@
>
>> &gt; wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 25-03-2016, at 7:56 AM, Bert Freudenberg &lt;
>
>> bert@
>
>> &gt; wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>> There are actually two problems that look very similar but are
>>>> unrelated:
>>>>
>>>> (1) grips on top of the text morph
>>>>
>>>> In a 5.0 image, the text morph is behind the grips. Apparently this has
>>>> been fixed in the mean time, in Trunk it looks fine. This is obviously
>>>> independent of platform.
>>>>
>>>> (2) window “grip” on Mac
>>>>
>>>> On a Mac, the VM provides a similar “grip” for the full Squeak window,
>>>> which makes it impossible to click in the lower left and right corners.
>>>>
>>>> So (1) appears to be fixed in trunk and (2) can not be fixed because
>>>> it’s the same in all Mac apps. I’d say we’re good.
>>>
>>> I know this hardly ever happens, but Bert is right :-O
>>
>> Well, almost. I just noticed that in the 5.0 All-in-One-VM the Mac corner
>> grip is visible, and *only* affects the lower right window corner:
>>
>>
>>
>> ... whereas in a 5.0.3602 Spur VM the grips are invisible and in both
>> lower-left and lower-right corners.
>>
>> Is this a difference between Carbon and Cocoa VMs, maybe?
>>
>> - Bert -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> PastedGraphic-1.png (7K)
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>> smime.p7s (5K)
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>
> Hi, there.
>
> In Windows 10, the grab handles are outside the (resp. adjacent to) windows
> and reside in the drop shadow. Since there are no window borders anymore in
> Windows 10, the window contents would otherwise overlap with the grips. This
> holds also for the corner grips.
>
> I think we should also move our grips to the outside if SystemWindow borders
> are too small. The only draw back would be that full-screen windows cannot
> be resized anymore. Should they anyway? Maximized means maximized. :-)
>
> Best,
> Marcel
>
>
>
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