On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 03:16:41PM +0200, H. Hirzel wrote:
> Note: MorphWithGrid does not really make sense unless you have a
> superclass MorphWithDnD (Drag and Drop) which handles the morph droped
> and makes them 'sticky'.
> 
> Though refactoring PastUpMorph by inserting superclasses is an issue I
> suggest to put this on the backburner at the moment and focus on
> getting the Etoys setting straight as Dave suggests in the initial
> mail.

I just tried loading your MorphWithGrid, and it does illustrate your point,
thank you.

Probably we will can think about it later though once we get some other
things working better.

Dave

> 
> A use case to follow: What happens when you drop  the exapme project
> 
>     http://etoys.laptop.org/src/Content/ExampleEtoys/CarAndPen.014.pr
> 
> on to the desktop.
> 
> ExternalDropHandler>>handleDroppedItem:event:  [21]
> 
> is called in this case and then dispatches to do the necessary things
> to deal with the
>     ExampleEtoys/CarAndPen.014.pr
> file.
> 
> There is a message box which needs attention.
> 
> And I assume that in the course of these events some settings are
> necessary. Most prominently to choose EtoysProject and no longer
> MorphicProject
> 
> --Hannes
> 
> [21] http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/4283
> 
> On 10/5/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I added a demo file Morphic-hjh.1354 [11] to the repository
> >
> > MCHttpRepository
> > 	location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/EtoysProject'
> > 	user: ''
> > 	password: ''
> >
> > This file should be loaded into a fully updated trunk test image.
> >
> > I agree with what Tobias noted earlier in this thread that it is
> > probably better to avoid renaming PasteUpMorph. I see as a solution to
> > easier deal with PasteUpMorph functions the insertion of superclasses
> > of PasteUpMorph (and thus subclasses of BorderedMorph) [12]
> >
> > The next thing I will come up with is a class
> >     MorphWithDnD
> >
> > a morph class which supports drag and drop.
> > As a superclass of MorphWithGrid
> >
> > A third class would be PlayField which contains all the Etoys selectors.
> > In an image without Etoys that class would then be just empty.
> >
> > --Hannes
> >
> >
> > --------------------
> >
> > [11]
> > Name: Morphic-hjh.1354
> > Author: hjh
> > Time: 5 October 2017, 11:51:21.903338 am
> > UUID: e96d5a46-453f-418c-b95f-26f1674ca329
> > Ancestors: Morphic-hjh.1353
> >
> > Demo which shows how to remove selectors from PasteUpMorph and insert
> > them into a newy created superclass
> >
> > Inserted
> >      MorphWithGrid
> > as a subclass of BorderedMorph and superclass of
> >     PasteUpMorph
> >
> > gridding protocol was moved from
> >     PasteUpMorph
> > to
> >     MorphWithGrid
> >
> >
> > Morphic-hjh.1353:
> > 	Ancestors: Morphic-hjh.1352
> >
> > Note: I tried to save this update several times. That accounts for the
> > empty updates in between.
> >
> >
> > ---------
> > [12]
> > After filing in Morphic-hjh.1354
> > PasteUpMorph printHierarchy '
> > ProtoObject #()
> > 	Object #()
> > 		Morph #()
> > 			BorderedMorph #()
> > 				MorphWithGrid #(''griddingOn'')
> > 					PasteUpMorph #(...)
> > 						ComponentLayout #(...)
> > 						EventTimeline #(...)
> > 						GeeBookPageMorph #(...)
> > 						IndexTabs #(...)
> > 						MouseEventEditor #(...)
> > 						PartsBin #(...)
> > 						QuickGuideHolderMorph #(...)
> > 						SyntaxTestMethods #(...)
> > 						TetrisBoard #(...)
> > 						TextPlusPasteUpMorph #(...)
> > 						WiWPasteUpMorph #(...)
> > 							MVCWiWPasteUpMorph #(...)
> > 						Worldlet #(...)
> > 						ZASMScriptMorph #(...)
> > 						ZoomAndScrollMorph #(...)'
> >
> > On 10/5/17, Marcel Taeumel <marcel.taeumel at hpi.de> wrote:
> >> Done. :)
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Marcel
> >> Am 05.10.2017 06:21:44 schrieb David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com>:
> >> We did have a problem on squeaksource.com, but I think it is mostly
> >> resolved
> >> now.
> >>
> >> Hannes,
> >>
> >> The password reset for your HJH account was lost, so I set it back to the
> >> new password that I sent to you earlier in private email. Hopefully your
> >> access is working again now.
> >>
> >> Marcel,
> >>
> >> Your new account disappeared when squeaksource recovered from some
> >> internal
> >> problem. Sorry, I do not know the cause. But could I ask you to please
> >> register
> >> again on squeaksource.com, and I will then add you back to EtoysProject?
> >>
> >> Sorry for the disruption,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 02:03:47AM +0200, H. Hirzel wrote:
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> Earlier today login worked. Currently it does not.
> >>>
> >>> --Hannes
> >>>
> >>> On 10/5/17, David T. Lewis wrote:
> >>> > Hannes,
> >>> >
> >>> > You did not cause the problem. It may have been me, I saved the
> >>> > squeaksource.com
> >>> > image from a VNC session (because I wanted to make an up to date
> >>> > backup
> >>> > of
> >>> > it),
> >>> > and I am now unable to log in to squeaksource. Maybe I triggered a bug
> >>> > :-/
> >>> >
> >>> > Can you please tell me if you are able to log in to your
> >>> > http://squeaksource.com
> >>> > page? I am getting authorization errors, and I suspect it is a problem
> >>> > that
> >>> > affects
> >>> > everyone.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks,
> >>> > Dave
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 01:52:35AM +0200, H. Hirzel wrote:
> >>> >> Dave,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Yes, I encounter problems. They might be related to what I just tried
> >>> >> to
> >>> >> do:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I wanted to save an updated version of Morphic to the ProjectEtoys
> >>> >> repository but by mistake I tried to commit it to the trunk. As I do
> >>> >> not have commit rights to trunk this prevented me from changing it
> >>> >> inadvertently. Later on I wanted to commit that version to
> >>> >> ProjectEtoys. It did not work.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --Hannes
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 10/5/17, David T. Lewis wrote:
> >>> >> > I'm seeing problems with SqueakSource right now, trying to figure
> >>> >> > out
> >>> >> > what is wrong. So the project may not be accessible right now :-/
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Dave
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 01:17:58AM +0200, H. Hirzel wrote:
> >>> >> >> Karl,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> So far entering and existing the Etoys project works smoothly.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Load mcz from into current Squeak 6.0a
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> MCHttpRepository
> >>> >> >> location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/EtoysProject'
> >>> >> >> user: ''
> >>> >> >> password: ''
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> The issue is about providing more settings when entering.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Karl, do you want to be added to the list of developers?
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> --HH
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> On 10/5/17, H. Hirzel wrote:
> >>> >> >> > PasteUpMorph is useful and the functions have to be maintained.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > However adding more functions to Morph does not make sense.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > Squeak 6.0a
> >>> >> >> > Morph selectors size 1345
> >>> >> >> > PasteUpMorph selectors size 530
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > --Hannes
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > On 10/4/17, karl ramberg wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> I'm not sure anybody uses Etoys anymore, but PasteUpMorph is
> >>> >> >> >> very
> >>> >> >> >> useful
> >>> >> >> >> in
> >>> >> >> >> direct manipulation because of it's various layout and event
> >>> >> >> >> handling
> >>> >> >> >> options. It also act as a container of other morphs, with
> >>> >> >> >> automatic
> >>> >> >> >> layout, enumeration etc.
> >>> >> >> >> I'm sure most of this could be refactored into Morph class or
> >>> >> >> >> another
> >>> >> >> >> class.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> Best,
> >>> >> >> >> Karl
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Marcel Taeumel
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>> +1 :)
> >>> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >>> And then later: Rename PasteUpMorph to WorldMorph, and keep an
> >>> >> >> >>> empty
> >>> >> >> >>> PasteUpMorph subclass around for compatibility reasons. So
> >>> >> >> >>> many
> >>> >> >> >>> ideas
> >>> >> >> >>> have
> >>> >> >> >>> been ported down to Morph class over the past years. New
> >>> >> >> >>> applications
> >>> >> >> >>> have
> >>> >> >> >>> no reason to ever use other instances of PasteUpMorph.
> >>> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >>> Best,
> >>> >> >> >>> Marcel
> >>> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >>> Am 03.10.2017 14:57:55 schrieb H. Hirzel :
> >>> >> >> >>> On 10/3/17, H. Hirzel wrote:
> >>> >> >> >>> > Dave
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > your change set contains the class EtoysProject with
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > EtoysProject selectors
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > #(#finalEnterActions: #restoreGlobalPreferences
> >>> >> >> >>> > #saveGlobalPreferences
> >>> >> >> >>> > #initializeProjectPreferences #configureOnFirstEntry
> >>> >> >> >>> > #finalExitActions:)
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > For complete configuration of a EtoysProject it might be
> >>> >> >> >>> > necessary
> >>> >> >> >>> > to
> >>> >> >> >>> > do
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > PasteUpMorph subclass: EtoysPasteUpMorph
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > as well. http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6461
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > Then Etoys related methods may be pushed down to
> >>> >> >> >>> > EtoysPasteUpMorph.
> >>> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >>> See screen shot attached.
> >>> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >>> > And probably an Etoys specific subclass of WorldMenu would
> >>> >> >> >>> > be
> >>> >> >> >>> > fine
> >>> >> >> >>> > as
> >>> >> >> >>> well
> >>> >> >> >>> > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6461
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > there is a test project [2] and some more information about
> >>> >> >> >>> > adaptions
> >>> >> >> >>> > needed because of the UI changes in the thread 'Etoys in
> >>> >> >> >>> > 2017?' -
> >>> >> >> >>> > UI
> >>> >> >> >>> > preferences [3]. And it would be good to have Etoys methods
> >>> >> >> >>> > /
> >>> >> >> >>> > configuration separate [4].
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > I suggest that you start go ahead and start implementing
> >>> >> >> >>> > this
> >>> >> >> >>> > while
> >>> >> >> >>> > using a test Etoys project dropped onto the desktop.
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > --Hannes
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > [2] > You simply drop it in. E.g. download this project
> >>> >> >> >>> >> http://etoys.laptop.org/src/Content/ExampleEtoys/CarAndPen.014.pr
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > [3] Hannes Hirzel, 'Etoys in 2017?' mail, Wed, Feb 22, 2017
> >>> >> >> >>> > at
> >>> >> >> >>> > 11:01
> >>> >> >> >>> > AM
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > [4] David T. Lewis, Sep 4, 2016 at 3:34 PM
> >>> >> >> >>> > "I think it would be great if both Etoys and Scratch were
> >>> >> >> >>> > easily
> >>> >> >> >>> > loadable and unloadable in trunk."
> >>> >> >> >>> >
> >>> >> >> >>> > On 10/2/17, David T. Lewis wrote:
> >>> >> >> >>> >> An EtoysProject is a project that is configured for running
> >>> >> >> >>> >> Etoys.
> >>> >> >> >>> >> On
> >>> >> >> >>> >> first entry to a new EtoysProject, the playground and
> >>> >> >> >>> >> project
> >>> >> >> >>> preferences
> >>> >> >> >>> >> are initialized to provide an environment similar to that
> >>> >> >> >>> >> of
> >>> >> >> >>> >> a
> >>> >> >> >>> >> traditional
> >>> >> >> >>> >> standalone Etoys image.
> >>> >> >> >>> >>
> >>> >> >> >>> >> Certain preferences that are required for Etoys are
> >>> >> >> >>> >> initialized
> >>> >> >> >>> >> on
> >>> >> >> >>> >> project
> >>> >> >> >>> >> entry, overriding their global preference values while this
> >>> >> >> >>> EtoysProject
> >>> >> >> >>> >> is active. On leaving the project, these preferences are
> >>> >> >> >>> >> restored
> >>> >> >> >>> >> to
> >>> >> >> >>> >> their
> >>> >> >> >>> >> previous values.
> >>> >> >> >>> >>
> >>> >> >> >>> >> "ProjectViewMorph openOn: EtoysProject new"
> >>> >> >> >>> >>
> >>> >> >> >>> >> Change set attached for a minimal implementation.
> >>> >> >> >>> >>
> >>> >> >> >>> >> Anyone with Etoys knowledge care to help? I do not know
> >>> >> >> >>> >> enough
> >>> >> >> >>> >> about
> >>> >> >> >>> >> Etoys
> >>> >> >> >>> >> to fill in the rest of the initialization that will be
> >>> >> >> >>> >> required,
> >>> >> >> >>> >> but
> >>> >> >> >>> >> it
> >>> >> >> >>> >> should not be hard to do.
> >>> >> >> >>> >>
> >>> >> >> >>> >> Dave
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