Hi Chris,

yes, everybody should be thoughtful with their commits. Such tools can help
repair slips in the process. We need them; we make should use them.

However, keep in mind that quality assessment of any commit can be highly
subjective. We've seen it in the past, we'll see it in the future. If one
Squeaker is not happy with an idea of another Squeaker, there will always be
room for discussion to move forward in a calm way.

Consequently, there is no way to "fix" this challenge for all eternity. It
will always be there. Some commits will make some Squeakers more happy than
others. That's the history we want to record and preserve.

Best,
Marcel


Chris Muller-4 wrote
>> > I think Dave's new "Reparent" button is the best go-to right now.
>> > That way, we can have the cowboy-style dev process want and then
>> > "squash" out the interim versions into one pretty version that
>> > concisely describes the final product.
>>
>> I am replying here because my name was mentioned. I previously explained
>> my use case for the "Reparent" button:
>>
>>  
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2018-November/200556.html
>>
>> I did not intend it as a tool to encourage modifications to the
>> trunk update stream, and I do not support using it for that purpose.
> 
> The bottom line is you agree to it when it suits a purpose.
> 
> I feel exactly the same way.
> 
>> I have previously said, and I will repeat it here, that I agree
>> with Marcel and others that the version history in trunk must be
>> considered write-only. It should be modified only the case of an
>> emergency situation in which the update stream is broken. Period.
> 
> I don't know if this is a rule designed to increase freedom, or
> posturing, but it isn't necessary.  Not only because I'm willing to
> bend over backward to work with you, but because if something is
> unsustainable, it won't care whether you're able to enforce it or not.
> Sooner or later, you'll have to change something.  Since none of us
> really enjoys thinking or talking about this, isn't "later" better?
> 
> I think it's in our best interests to think of the trunk ancestry as a
> selection of improvements and "tell the story" well, instead of
> relegating it to be a unsustainable recording device.  How we get it
> to be that doesn't need to be artificially restricted, we are free to
> develop however we want.  It's not "rewriting history" if it's only
> 5-minutes old, okay?
> 
>> p.s. "Shoot from the hip" and "cowboy 
> <whatever>
> " are American
>> English vernacular based on our cultural mythologies. They imply
>> both positive and negative things. The positive is "follow your
>> instincts and make great things happen". The negative implies
>> following uncontrolled instincts with unpredictable outcomes. Some
>> people would consider "cowboy-style" to be a compliment, and others
>> might consider it an insult. It is usually a little of both.
> 
> It's a succint and correct way to state the trade-off between
> conservative vs. loose, but nothing to do with "insults" (unless you
> don't like cowboys, I guess..).
> 
>> We also have the phrase "straight shooter" which means "realiable,
>> trustworthy, honest and straighforward", ...
> 
> Where I come from, it means "they mean what they say" and "say what
> they mean" .  I'm definitely that.
> 
> Regards,
>   Chris





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