On Tue, 2 Apr 2019, Chris Muller wrote:

> Hi Jakob and Tim R.,
>
>>> I understand that you like Metacello and GitInfrastructure and may
>>> wish to promote their use to others, but as Karl mentioned we already
>>> have existing places in the IDE dedicated to package installation, we
>>> should not introduce another new place, especially one so orthogonal
>>> to its regular purpose.  I guess you wouldn't to see "Installer
>>> installMagma" in there, right?
>>
>> On the other hand, installing Metacello is nearly every time the first thing I have to do in a fresh Trunk image to load any projects from GitHub with their dependencies.
>> The shorter the way to install Metacello, the better. I was delighted to have it in the menu. Not that I particularly like Metacello, but I *need* it.
>
> You need a proper solution to dependency management, adding our

You mean a tool like Metacello?

Levente

> personal projects to the top of everyone's Do menu isn't it.   ;)
>
> Tim R. wrote:
>
>> How about extending the preferences so that saving your prefs to file includes these items in some manner?
>
> I used to configure my images manually like this -- by a series of
> clicks on this or that menu, opening up of Preferences to click the
> "Load Preferences" button, setting my theme, etc.
>
> It was and still is a really bad way to do configuration.
>
> I now use a class-side #initialize method that configures _everything_
> I need for preferences and stuff.
>
> I also made sure all my packages have dependency management --
>
>    - checking if a pre-requisite package is already present and, if not,
>    - load that package
>
> The 2nd step may, itself, have dependencies, but they each follow
> those same two steps, so it doesn't matter how big the tree of
> dependencies is, nor what overlappings may exist with whatever else
> may already be loaded.
>
> Best,
>  Chris
>
>
>> In fact, this menu item is the only one in the Do menu I have ever used. Well except for the git infrastructure one, but since I developed the things that it installs, I am biased. Note that it was not me who put the item on the list, although I felt flattered about it.
>>
>>>
>>> The last entry of the Do menu is "edit this list", this is how it was
>>> intended to be personalized.  Is that okay?
>>
>>
>> Not if you would first have to edit this list to get your initialize-your-trunk-image items into it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>> On that note, if there was a way to restore the saved list (or preferences for that matter) quickly from a well-known file name, it should be on that list. Saving it to the well-known file should be on there too.
>>
>> Installing the current incarnation of the refactoring tools might be another good candidate for an image initialization shortlist. I mostly live without them just because the buttons to install them are too many clicks away...
>>
>> Am Di., 2. Apr. 2019 um 22:54 Uhr schrieb Chris Muller <asqueaker at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi Marcel,
>>>
>>> The Do menu was targeted toward newcomers as a way to introduce some
>>> basics of Squeak.  It gives the newcomer list of Squeak expressions
>>> which are generically useful, and have been unchanged since 2002.
>>>
>>> I understand that you like Metacello and GitInfrastructure and may
>>> wish to promote their use to others, but as Karl mentioned we already
>>> have existing places in the IDE dedicated to package installation, we
>>> should not introduce another new place, especially one so orthogonal
>>> to its regular purpose.  I guess you wouldn't to see "Installer
>>> installMagma" in there, right?
>>>
>>> The last entry of the Do menu is "edit this list", this is how it was
>>> intended to be personalized.  Is that okay?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>   Chris
>>>
>>> PS -- Marcel, can you simply define Metacello and/or GitInfrastructure
>>> as prerequisites to whatever package(s) require them?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 11:33 AM Marcel Taeumel <marcel.taeumel at hpi.de> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi, there.
>>> >
>>> > Can you please restore those lines:
>>> >
>>> > Installer ensureRecentMetacello.
>>> > Installer installGitInfrastructure.
>>> >
>>> > What is this commit part of? It removes a dot at the end and also the recent additions I mentioned above. :-)
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Marcel
>>> >
>>> > Am 02.04.2019 01:09:14 schrieb commits at source.squeak.org <commits at source.squeak.org>:
>>> >
>>> > Chris Muller uploaded a new version of System to project The Inbox:
>>> > http://source.squeak.org/inbox/System-cmm.1059.mcz
>>> >
>>> > ==================== Summary ====================
>>> >
>>> > Name: System-cmm.1059
>>> > Author: cmm
>>> > Time: 1 April 2019, 6:08:54.797918 pm
>>> > UUID: 6ab6befc-9fa5-4aa5-a1b6-3570ba2853b9
>>> > Ancestors: System-eem.1058
>>> >
>>> > Organize configuration scripts in the "Extending The System" workspace or SqueakMap.
>>> >
>>> > =============== Diff against System-eem.1058 ===============
>>> >
>>> > Item was changed:
>>> > ----- Method: Utilities class>>initializeCommonRequestStrings (in category 'common requests') -----
>>> > initializeCommonRequestStrings
>>> > "Initialize the common request strings, a directly-editable list of expressions that can be evaluated from the 'do...' menu."
>>> >
>>> > CommonRequestStrings := StringHolder new contents:
>>> > + 'Utilities emergencyCollapse.
>>> > - 'Installer ensureRecentMetacello.
>>> > - Installer installGitInfrastructure.
>>> > - -
>>> > - Utilities emergencyCollapse.
>>> > Utilities closeAllDebuggers.
>>> > -
>>> > Sensor keyboard.
>>> > ParagraphEditor abandonChangeText.
>>> > Cursor normal show.
>>> > -
>>> > CommandHistory resetAllHistory.
>>> > Project allInstancesDo: [:p | p displayDepth: 16].
>>> > ScriptingSystem inspectFormDictionary.
>>> > Form fromUser bitEdit.
>>> > Display border: (0 at 0 extent: 640 at 480) width: 2.
>>> > -
>>> > Undeclared inspect.
>>> > Undeclared removeUnreferencedKeys; inspect.
>>> > Transcript clear.
>>> > Utilities grabScreenAndSaveOnDisk.
>>> > FrameRateMorph new openInHand.
>>> > -
>>> > Utilities reconstructTextWindowsFromFileNamed: ''TW''.
>>> > Utilities storeTextWindowContentsToFileNamed: ''TW''.
>>> > ChangeSorter removeEmptyUnnamedChangeSets.
>>> > ChangeSorter reorderChangeSets.
>>> > -
>>> > ActiveWorld installVectorVocabulary.
>>> > ActiveWorld abandonVocabularyPreference.
>>> > + Smalltalk saveAsNewVersion'
>>> > - Smalltalk saveAsNewVersion.'
>>> >
>>> > "Utilities initializeCommonRequestStrings"!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>