The ISP  that is hosting both sites has gone off-line and we are not 
quite sure what the current status is ... other than that multiple 
machines are down beyond the machine that is used to host 
seaside.gemtalksystems.com and ss3.gemtalksystems.com.

The host for the glass mailing list is on one of the other machines that 
has dropped off-line as well.

We'll send mail when we have more information ...

Dale