> Since we have so much invested with RYB in code and documentation, I suggest we stay with it.

Yes, but yellow is the right one. Blue is the middle one: SELECT, EXTEND, MENU

Best,
Marcel
Am 27.12.2019 23:52:28 schrieb John-Reed Maffeo <jrmaffeo at gmail.com>:
I don't remember when and never knew why the "Swap Mouse Buttons" preference was enabled by default, but that broke the documentation along with messing with command and control buttons, changes which were driven to adhere to various OS developer idiosyncrasies.  Tim's reference to"Select, Menu, Extend" on RISC OS seems to echo the original definitions of buttons for the three button mouse which was used with Smalltalk and I would be fine with using them in the wiki documentation.

However, the reality is that any term for any button, key, hand gesture, etc. is arbitrary and subject to change by the underlying OS and/or application setting and the best Squeak can aspire to is precise standardization of the words used in the code and documentation. Since we have so much invested with RYB in code and documentation, I suggest we stay with it.


Select, Menu, Extend

-jrm    


On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 12:19 PM tim Rowledge <tim at rowledge.org [mailto:tim at rowledge.org]> wrote:

Nicola is probably right about sunsetting our beloved Red/Yellow/Blue; it's certainly ancient and archaic. Mind you, it *is* still enshrined in a fair bit of code. It would however be reasonable to try something more helpful in documentation and I am reminded of the RISC OS approach of referring to Select, Menu, Extend (which were left/middle/right buttons). That kind of naming has a decent clue as to function in the name and it isn't hard to explain that three-button mice have A/B/C, two button mice (do they still exist? a stupid idea that I hope has died) are A/B and shift-key-B for C, trackpads are... a bit more complicated because so many different types, and so on. Could we perhaps settle on Select/Menu/Halo and explain that you can choose from a variety of settings for which button/key/gesture/voice-command maps to each? JRM pointed out how the whole left/middle/right can get messed up by a left-handed-mouse option in some OSs. I've never used that despite being left-handed!

Does Select/Menu/Halo seem suitable?

tim
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