[squeak-dev] Switching to Sista bytecodes in trunk (was: The Inbox: Kernel-dtl.1310.mcz)

Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.nice at gmail.com
Sun Mar 8 20:34:23 UTC 2020


So I accidentally published a small fix in trunk without thinking that the
ancestor was in inbox...
Consequently, all is in trunk now with an advance of half a couple of days.

Le sam. 7 mars 2020 à 21:19, Nicolas Cellier <
nicolas.cellier.aka.nice at gmail.com> a écrit :

> The adaptive optimization (inlining etc...) done at image side is called
> Scorch.
> Clément has prototyped it in Pharo at
> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~ClementBera/Scorch
> then at https://github.com/clementbera/Scorch
> It's not advertised as ready for consumption yet.
>
> Le sam. 7 mars 2020 à 20:45, Nicolas Cellier <
> nicolas.cellier.aka.nice at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> Hi all,
>> I agree for moving to trunk asap.
>> It must happen in early phases so that we test eagerly.
>> There's a few test failing with wrong expectations now, but no
>> catastrophic consequences.
>>
>> Le sam. 7 mars 2020 à 19:47, David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Hi Christoph,
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 07, 2020 at 06:11:56PM +0000, Thiede, Christoph wrote:
>>> > Hi Dave, hi all,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > this sounds like a really interesting changeover. I have heard and
>>> > read some rumors about Sista in the past, but I could not find any
>>> > brief but complete summary of all the changes this will make to our
>>>  existing Smalltalk system. So it would be great if you could point
>>> > us to some kind of changelog.
>>> >
>>>
>>> You can think of the bytecode set as the machine level instructions
>>> that are executed by the virtual machine, analogous to the hardware
>>> instructions that are executed by a CPU. Eliot has arranged for Squeak
>>> (and Pharo and others) to be able to change over to an alternate
>>> instruction set, sort of like changing the CPU on your computer without
>>> turning the power off.
>>>
>>> The motivation for the new bytcodes (called Sista) is to enable certain
>>> kinds of performance optimizations directly in the image. Think in
>>> terms of some of the performance optimizations in the Cog/Spur VMs,
>>> but now potentially being able to do it directly in the image.
>>>
>>> Others will have to give you the details, but that's the basic idea.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > In what way will this affect your typical Squeak experience? What
>>> > about performance? What about debugging/simulating code? As someone
>>> > who did not yet deal with any VM side effects, I would be interested
>>> > to hear about the practical effects you can see when playing around
>>> > with Context & Compiler stuff. I read about FullBlockClosure which
>>> > appears to be kind of detached of its defining method. How will this
>>> > change accessing thisContext home etc. from a FullBlockClosure, for
>>> > example? I read Sista stores an optimization cache between several
>>> > runs. Where will this information be saved, at the image side or
>>> > at the VM side?
>>> >
>>>
>>> I cannot answer much of this, other than to say that initially you
>>> should expect to see no difference in the user experience. Various
>>> people have been using Sista for some time without problems, so it
>>> will initially be a transparent change, with the more interesting
>>> things happening in the future :-)
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> > Lots of questions, maybe someone can answer a few of them :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> >
>>> > Christoph
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > Von: Squeak-dev <squeak-dev-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org> im
>>> Auftrag von David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com>
>>> > Gesendet: Samstag, 7. M?rz 2020 18:29:40
>>> > An: squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org
>>> > Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Switching to Sista bytecodes in trunk (was:
>>> The Inbox: Kernel-dtl.1310.mcz)
>>> >
>>> > I will leave this in the inbox for a couple of days, and if there are
>>> > no objections I will move it to trunk.
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 07:43:29PM -0500, David T. Lewis wrote:
>>> > > The Sista bytecode set enables important reasearch and development
>>> work.
>>> > > Eliot and Clemont can explain better than me (apologies to Clemont
>>> Bera
>>> > > for using my seven-bit character set on your name).
>>> > >
>>> > > Squeak 5.3 is released and we are starting the new release cycle, so
>>> it
>>> > > is time to make Sista the default in trunk. Kernel-dtl.1310 (in the
>>> inbox)
>>> > > activates Sista in the package postscipt.
>>> > >
>>> > > Dave
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sat, Mar 07, 2020 at 12:29:13AM +0000, commits at source.squeak.org
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > David T. Lewis uploaded a new version of Kernel to project The
>>> Inbox:
>>> > > > http://source.squeak.org/inbox/Kernel-dtl.1310.mcz
>>> > > >
>>>
>>>
>>>
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