Hello

I was looking for the latest version of the

Loke/BabyIDE image

at https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/5xxgzv7fsp/1

>> > The image is my program repository. It includes some examples of DCI
>> > programming, Ellen's Personal Programming IDE, Squeak Reverse
>> > Engineering
>> > (SRE), and more.)

It is no longer available at this mendeley url as it is not a dataset
but a program.
Could somebody who has downloaded it please make it available on the
squeak web site?

Thank you
Regards
Hannes




On 10/4/20, David T. Lewis <lewis at mail.msen.com> wrote:
> Thank you Trygve,
>
> I confirm also that the image runs very well on my Ubuntu Linux laptop
> with a VM compiled per http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6354.
>
> Dave
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> On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 07:56:43PM +0900, masato sumi wrote:
>> Dear Trygve,
>>
>> I confirmed that I could launch the Loke/BabyIDE image with the included
>> SqueakVM for Windows (8.1 and 10)
>> and I could also launch it in a web browser by using the SqueakJS VM (
>> https://squeak.js.org/run ).
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> --
>> sumim
>>
>> 2020-10-03 15:48 Trygve Reenskaug <trygver at ifi.uio.no>:
>>
>> > Dear Sumim,
>> > Thank you for your kind words.
>> >
>> > The latest version of Loke/BabyIDE written on Squeak3.10.2 is at
>> > https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/5xxgzv7fsp/1
>> > The image is my program repository. It includes some examples of DCI
>> > programming, Ellen's Personal Programming IDE, Squeak Reverse
>> > Engineering
>> > (SRE), and more.
>> >
>> > Best
>> > --Trygve
>> >
>> > On 2020-10-02 20:14, masato sumi wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Trygve,
>> >
>> > Thank you for your very long term contribution and efforts.
>> >
>> > I'm very sorry that I couldn't help you at all now.
>> >
>> > I'm afraid, but could you please make your latest version of
>> > Loke/BabyIDE
>> > written on Squeak3.10.2 available for future generations of researchers
>> > and/or followers?
>> >
>> > Anyway, I think your ideas and thoughts should be passed on to future
>> > generations as faithfully as we can possible, and I myself will try to
>> > make
>> > sure that.
>> >
>> > Thank you so much and goodbye.
>> > Please take care of yourself.
>> >
>> > --
>> > sumim
>> >
>> > 2020-10-03 0:54 Trygve Reenskaug <trygver at ifi.uio.no>:
>> >
>> >> Dear all,
>> >> I need to use many words to explore why I can't understand current
>> >> Squeak
>> >> code. I believe the reason is a profound one, and I hope some of you
>> >> have
>> >> the patience to read about it.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for your responses to my 'A Sad Day'-message. One response
>> >> said
>> >>  "*But please don't give up as an inventor of MVC, which has simplified
>> >> writing software for all of us.*
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *We need new ideas to stabilize Smalltalk." *As to MVC, it was received
>> >> with acclamation when I first presented it at PARC in 1978, and people
>> >> suggested I should make it the theme of my article in the special
>> >> Smalltalk
>> >> issue of Byte. I couldn't understand it; MVC was so simple and obvious
>> >> that
>> >> is was not worth writing about it. Nevertheless, people seem to have
>> >> problems understanding MVC. It took me a long time before I gleaned
>> >> what
>> >> was going on. The explanation is a deep one, rooted in our different
>> >> mental
>> >> paradigms.
>> >>
>> >> From around 1970, I was working on Prokon, a distributed system for
>> >> managers in the shipbuilding industry:
>> >>
>> >>  Every manager has their own computer that they use for augmenting
>> >> their
>> >> mind. The manager understands their software and ideally writes it
>> >> themselves. Managers delegate conversations with other managers to
>> >> their
>> >> computer's M-to-M network. (Marked with a heavy black line in the
>> >> figure).
>> >> I chose "distributed planning with central control" as my example
>> >> project.
>> >> Each manager creates a plan for their department, using apps suited to
>> >> their particular needs. A **distributed algorithm** ensures consistency
>> >> across departments.
>> >>
>> >> I came to PARC in 1978 and could immediately relate to the Smalltalk
>> >> image with its universe of collaborating objects. Alan's definition of
>> >> object-orientation fitted my Prokon model: "Thus its semantics are a
>> >> bit
>> >> like having thousands and thousands of computers all hooked together by
>> >> a
>> >> very fast network."
>> >>
>> >> MVC prescribes a network of communicating objects. Any object can fill
>> >> one or more positions in the network as long as it has the required
>> >> behavior; their classes are irrelevant. It's so simple that it's not
>> >> worth
>> >> writing about it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ====================
>> >>
>> >> The work on this post was interrupted at this point by an unexpected
>> >> week
>> >> in hospital. It gave me quiet days of pondering the futility of what I
>> >> am
>> >> doing and I will be terminating my memberships in the Pharo and Squeak
>> >> mailing lists. I have also deleted most of the old draft of this
>> >> message
>> >> and will quickly conclude with two observations:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>    1.
>> >>    The Smalltalk image is a universe of communicating objects. I call
>> >> it
>> >>    an object computer. It can be seen as the model of an entirely new
>> >> kind of
>> >>    computer, a model on a level closer to the human mind than the von
>> >> Neumann
>> >>    model of 1948. The new model is communication-centric and should
>> >> supersede
>> >>    the ubiquitous CPU-centric model as soon as possible. Working out
>> >> the
>> >>    details of this idea could make an exciting and disruptive Ph.D.
>> >> thesis.
>> >>    2.
>> >>    Smalltalk is called a programming language. It is a curious one,
>> >> very
>> >>    different from well-known languages like Java with their syntax and
>> >>    semantics. Smalltalk, as a programming language, does not have the
>> >> concept
>> >>    of a program. Smalltalk, as a class-oriented language, does not have
>> >> syntax
>> >>    for the declaration of a class. Smalltalk, as an object-oriented
>> >> language,
>> >>    can't describe how objects collaborate to achieve a goal. You appear
>> >> to be
>> >>    happy with this state of affairs, at least, I see no sign of anybody
>> >>    wanting to move on from the unfinished Smalltalk language to a
>> >> mature
>> >>    development environment. I do not find it satisfactory and it is not
>> >>    acceptable to the intended managers populating the distributed
>> >> system shown
>> >>    in the first picture. Consequently, I have done something about it
>> >> as
>> >>    described in my SoSym article "*Personal Programming and the Object
>> >>    Computer.*" I am tired of being alone in my endeavors and this ends
>> >>    my work with Squeak and other Smalltalks. I wish you health and
>> >> happiness
>> >>    wherever you happen to be.
>> >>
>> >> Trygve
>> >> Personal programming and the object computer
>> >> https://doi.org/10.1007/s10270-019-00768-3
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> *The essence of object orientation is that objects collaborate  to
>> >> achieve a goal. *
>> >> Trygve Reenskaug      mailto: trygver at ifi.uio.no
>> >> <%20trygver at ifi.uio.no>
>> >> Morgedalsvn. 5A       http://folk.uio.no/trygver/
>> >> N-0378 Oslo             http://fullOO.info
>> >> Norway                     Tel: (+47) 468 58 625
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > *The essence of object orientation is that objects collaborate  to
>> > achieve
>> > a goal. *
>> > Trygve Reenskaug      mailto: trygver at ifi.uio.no <%20trygver at ifi.uio.no>
>> > Morgedalsvn. 5A       http://folk.uio.no/trygver/
>> > N-0378 Oslo             http://fullOO.info
>> > Norway                     Tel: (+47) 468 58 625
>> >
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