[squeak-dev] find class is broken...

David T. Lewis lewis at mail.msen.com
Sun Sep 20 13:33:53 UTC 2020


Thats perfect!

Dave

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 09:37:17AM +0200, karl ramberg wrote:
> Relevant xkce
> https://xkcd.com/1172/
> 
> Best,
> Karl
> 
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 2:53 AM tim Rowledge <tim at rowledge.org> wrote:
> 
> > UI preferences are so personal it makes my head spin. We have almost had
> > global nuclear wars over arguments about text editor choices, let alone
> > actually interesting UI aspects.
> >
> > > On 2020-09-19, at 4:47 PM, Chris Muller <asqueaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >  For example, imagine the power of having EVERY PIXEL on your desktop
> > being ready for ANY INPUT, regardless of window z-ordering, simply by
> > moving pointer there and pressing a mouse or keyboard button.
> > >
> >
> > Here you see, we differ. It's likely partly due to growing up using RISC
> > OS and the original ST-80 UI (similar but not the same, which makes for
> > 'interesting' habit/reflexes) where basically the keyboard focus was set by
> > clicking in a text field and mouse focus what where ever the cursor sat.
> > RISC OS permits windows to be active (for mouse or keyboard) at any point
> > in the Z stack but you do still have to click in that text field. Very-old
> > ST-80 MVC was mouse focus within the active window and IIRC keyboard focus
> > in the text view under the mouse.
> >
> > I *think* I remember work at PPS to actually formalise some idea of a text
> > focus for ObjectWorks 4.0 - but that's so long ago who knows if I'm right.
> > The thing that would drive me nuts  - and I have experience of trying to
> > use a workstation set up that way in the past - is the keyboard focus
> > sliding around as the mouse drifts across because of the cable being stiff
> > or pulled by gravity etc. Yes, ok, a bluetooth mouse wouldn't usually do
> > that but half the time they don't do *anything* right.
> >
> > Similarly I really, really, dislike the 'menu button selects a list item'
> > thing that we currently have (and that Apple do, too) because I want the
> > damn thing I selected to be selected until I actually select something
> > else. Grrrrr. Damn; this is all reminding me how much I miss arguing UI
> > with Jef Raskin.
> >
> >
> > tim
> > --
> > tim Rowledge; tim at rowledge.org; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> > You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive in Silicon Valley
> >
> >
> >
> >

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