Hi Bernhard,

thanks again for the bug report.

> I only saw your mail now because refreshing did not work for me.

That was unfortunately an issue with our mail archive server at http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/. Thankfully, Tobias Pape has already fixed it. Apart from that, I now have made Squeak History a bit more robust at retrieving new messages anyway (see [1]).

> When I clicked on Beta Version > clear all caches another debugger opened with the message 'The author-key normalization is limited. Please run #deriveRulesForAuthorKeyNormalization.?
> 
> I wonder what that is and why that happens? I am not sure how best to proceed.

Ouch, sorry! This was indeed a bug which I have fixed now [2], so if you install the latest updates again via the version button, it should not occur again. Until then you should be able to just abandon the debugger warning.

If any of you have further ideas or questions, please feel very free to tell me all of them! And thank you too for the positive feedback, Dave! :-)

Best,
Christoph

[1] https://github.com/hpi-swa/squeak-history/pull/8/commits/7a2f0f5b19951325522a1bf328c822e373bcecba
[2] https://github.com/hpi-swa-lab/squeak-inbox-talk/pull/47

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> Hi Christoph,
> 
> Thanks for the fast fix. Filtering works now.
> 
> I only saw your mail now because refreshing did not work for me. I refreshed several times. It did pick up one message with the subject 'Documenting the system' but not yours and David?s about Squeak Inbox Talk.
> 
> When I clicked on Beta Version > clear all caches another debugger opened with the message 'The author-key normalization is limited. Please run #deriveRulesForAuthorKeyNormalization.?
> 
> I wonder what that is and why that happens? I am not sure how best to proceed.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bernhard
> 
> 17 July 2021 9:16:28.570988 pm
> 
> VM: Mac OS - Smalltalk
> Image: Squeak6.0alpha [latest update: #20587]
> 
> SecurityManager state:
> Restricted: false
> FileAccess: true
> SocketAccess: true
> Working Dir /Users/bernhard/Entwicklung/Squeak/new-trunk
> Trusted Dir /Users/bernhard/Entwicklung/Squeak/new-trunk/secure
> Untrusted Dir /Users/bernhard/Entwicklung/Squeak/new-trunk/My Squeak
> 
> SqhMailmanAggregator(Object)>>notify:
> Receiver: a SqhMailmanAggregator
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> aString: 'The author-key normalization is limited. Please run #deriveRulesForAu...etc...
> Receiver's instance variables:
> mailingLists: #('squeak-dev' 'beginners' 'vm-dev' 'vm-beginners' 'etoys-dev' 's...etc...
> showProgress: nil
> logOnTranscript: nil
> authorInitials: nil
> rulesForAuthorKeyNormalization: nil
> rulesForAuthorKeyClarification: nil
> rulesForAuthorFullNameClarification: nil
> dateFilter: nil
> 
> [] in SqhMailmanAggregator>>messagesNormalizedDo:
> Receiver: a SqhMailmanAggregator
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> workBlock: [closure] in SqhMailmanAggregator>>resetCacheForMailMessages
> Receiver's instance variables:
> mailingLists: #('squeak-dev' 'beginners' 'vm-dev' 'vm-beginners' 'etoys-dev' 's...etc...
> showProgress: nil
> logOnTranscript: nil
> authorInitials: nil
> rulesForAuthorKeyNormalization: nil
> rulesForAuthorKeyClarification: nil
> rulesForAuthorFullNameClarification: nil
> dateFilter: nil
> 
> Dictionary(Collection)>>ifEmpty:
> Receiver: a Dictionary()
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> aBlock: [closure] in SqhMailmanAggregator>>messagesNormalizedDo:
> Receiver's instance variables:
> tally: 0
> array: #(nil nil nil nil nil)
> 
> SqhMailmanAggregator>>messagesNormalizedDo:
> Receiver: a SqhMailmanAggregator
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> workBlock: [closure] in SqhMailmanAggregator>>resetCacheForMailMessages
> Receiver's instance variables:
> mailingLists: #('squeak-dev' 'beginners' 'vm-dev' 'vm-beginners' 'etoys-dev' 's...etc...
> showProgress: nil
> logOnTranscript: nil
> authorInitials: nil
> rulesForAuthorKeyNormalization: nil
> rulesForAuthorKeyClarification: nil
> rulesForAuthorFullNameClarification: nil
> dateFilter: nil
> 
> SqhMailmanAggregator>>resetCacheForMailMessages
> Receiver: a SqhMailmanAggregator
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> wrappers: a Dictionary()
> c: DemoPerson
> messages: nil
> Receiver's instance variables:
> mailingLists: #('squeak-dev' 'beginners' 'vm-dev' 'vm-beginners' 'etoys-dev' 's...etc...
> showProgress: nil
> logOnTranscript: nil
> authorInitials: nil
> rulesForAuthorKeyNormalization: nil
> rulesForAuthorKeyClarification: nil
> rulesForAuthorFullNameClarification: nil
> dateFilter: nil
> 
> SqhMailmanAggregator class>>resetCacheForMailMessages
> Receiver: SqhMailmanAggregator
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> 
> Receiver's instance variables:
> superclass: Object
> methodDict: a MethodDictionary(#aggregateAuthorKeys->(SqhMailmanAggregator>>#ag...etc...
> format: 65544
> instanceVariables: #('mailingLists' 'showProgress' 'logOnTranscript' 'authorIni...etc...
> organization: ('queries' aggregateAuthorKeys aggregateAuthors aggregateMailAddresses...etc...
> subclasses: nil
> name: #SqhMailmanAggregator
> classPool: a Dictionary(#ArchivePath->'/Users/bernhard/Entwicklung/Squeak/new-t...etc...
> sharedPools: nil
> environment: Smalltalk
> category: #'SqueakHistory-MailingLists'
> 
> SqhMailmanAggregator class>>messages
> Receiver: SqhMailmanAggregator
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> 
> Receiver's instance variables:
> superclass: Object
> methodDict: a MethodDictionary(#aggregateAuthorKeys->(SqhMailmanAggregator>>#ag...etc...
> format: 65544
> instanceVariables: #('mailingLists' 'showProgress' 'logOnTranscript' 'authorIni...etc...
> organization: ('queries' aggregateAuthorKeys aggregateAuthors aggregateMailAddresses...etc...
> subclasses: nil
> name: #SqhMailmanAggregator
> classPool: a Dictionary(#ArchivePath->'/Users/bernhard/Entwicklung/Squeak/new-t...etc...
> sharedPools: nil
> environment: Smalltalk
> category: #'SqueakHistory-MailingLists'
> 
> SqhMailmanAggregator class>>resetCacheForMailInReplyTo
> Receiver: SqhMailmanAggregator
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> helperCache: nil
> Receiver's instance variables:
> superclass: Object
> methodDict: a MethodDictionary(#aggregateAuthorKeys->(SqhMailmanAggregator>>#ag...etc...
> format: 65544
> instanceVariables: #('mailingLists' 'showProgress' 'logOnTranscript' 'authorIni...etc...
> organization: ('queries' aggregateAuthorKeys aggregateAuthors aggregateMailAddresses...etc...
> subclasses: nil
> name: #SqhMailmanAggregator
> classPool: a Dictionary(#ArchivePath->'/Users/bernhard/Entwicklung/Squeak/new-t...etc...
> sharedPools: nil
> environment: Smalltalk
> category: #'SqueakHistory-MailingLists'
> 
> SqhMailmanAggregator class>>conversations
> Receiver: SqhMailmanAggregator
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> 
> Receiver's instance variables:
> superclass: Object
> methodDict: a MethodDictionary(#aggregateAuthorKeys->(SqhMailmanAggregator>>#ag...etc...
> format: 65544
> instanceVariables: #('mailingLists' 'showProgress' 'logOnTranscript' 'authorIni...etc...
> organization: ('queries' aggregateAuthorKeys aggregateAuthors aggregateMailAddresses...etc...
> subclasses: nil
> name: #SqhMailmanAggregator
> classPool: a Dictionary(#ArchivePath->'/Users/bernhard/Entwicklung/Squeak/new-t...etc...
> sharedPools: nil
> environment: Smalltalk
> category: #'SqueakHistory-MailingLists'
> 
> TalkMailConversation>>mails
> Receiver: TalkMailConversation on: MailWrapper<CAEzdQ-ebWnvE9+f...>
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> 
> Receiver's instance variables:
> wrapper: MailWrapper<CAEzdQ-ebWnvE9+f...>
> 
> TalkConversation>>messages
> Receiver: a TalkConversation ('[squeak-dev] Documenting the system')
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> 
> Receiver's instance variables:
> mailConversation: TalkMailConversation on: MailWrapper<CAEzdQ-ebWnvE9+f...>
> 
> TalkConversation>>latestDate
> Receiver: a TalkConversation ('[squeak-dev] Documenting the system')
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> 
> Receiver's instance variables:
> mailConversation: TalkMailConversation on: MailWrapper<CAEzdQ-ebWnvE9+f...>
> 
> [] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns
> Receiver: a TalkInboxBrowser
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> conversation: a TalkConversation ('[squeak-dev] Documenting the system')
> Receiver's instance variables:
> dependents: a DependentsArray(a PluggableSystemWindow<Squeak Inbox Talk - squea...etc...
> backgroundWorkers: a WeakValueDictionary(#contents->nil #conversations->a Process...etc...
> backgroundWorkerUpdateMessages: a SharedQueue(1)
> inbox: a TalkInbox<squeak-dev>
> searchModel: a TalkTextSearchModel
> selectedConversation: nil
> allConversations: #()
> numberOfConversations: nil
> conversations: an OrderedCollection()
> menuFilter: a TalkFilterSet
> contents: a Text for 'Welcome to Squeak Inbox Talk!
> 
> In the last 90 days, the s...etc...
> 
> [] in [] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns
> Receiver: a TalkInboxBrowser
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> columnBlock: [closure] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns
> columnIndex: 1
> conversation: a TalkConversation ('[squeak-dev] Documenting the system')
> Receiver's instance variables:
> dependents: a DependentsArray(a PluggableSystemWindow<Squeak Inbox Talk - squea...etc...
> backgroundWorkers: a WeakValueDictionary(#contents->nil #conversations->a Process...etc...
> backgroundWorkerUpdateMessages: a SharedQueue(1)
> inbox: a TalkInbox<squeak-dev>
> searchModel: a TalkTextSearchModel
> selectedConversation: nil
> allConversations: #()
> numberOfConversations: nil
> conversations: an OrderedCollection()
> menuFilter: a TalkFilterSet
> contents: a Text for 'Welcome to Squeak Inbox Talk!
> 
> In the last 90 days, the s...etc...
> 
> OrderedCollection>>collect:
> Receiver: an OrderedCollection(a TalkConversation ('[squeak-dev] Documenting the system') a TalkConversation...etc...
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> aBlock: [closure] in [] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns
> newCollection: an OrderedCollection()
> index: 615
> Receiver's instance variables:
> array: {nil . nil . nil . nil . nil . nil . nil . nil . nil . nil . nil . nil ....etc...
> firstIndex: 615
> lastIndex: 1275
> 
> [] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns
> Receiver: a TalkInboxBrowser
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> columnBlock: [closure] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns
> columnIndex: 1
> Receiver's instance variables:
> dependents: a DependentsArray(a PluggableSystemWindow<Squeak Inbox Talk - squea...etc...
> backgroundWorkers: a WeakValueDictionary(#contents->nil #conversations->a Process...etc...
> backgroundWorkerUpdateMessages: a SharedQueue(1)
> inbox: a TalkInbox<squeak-dev>
> searchModel: a TalkTextSearchModel
> selectedConversation: nil
> allConversations: #()
> numberOfConversations: nil
> conversations: an OrderedCollection()
> menuFilter: a TalkFilterSet
> contents: a Text for 'Welcome to Squeak Inbox Talk!
> 
> In the last 90 days, the s...etc...
> 
> Array(SequenceableCollection)>>withIndexCollect:
> Receiver: {[closure] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns . [closure] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns...etc...
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> elementAndIndexBlock: [closure] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns
> result: #(nil nil nil)
> index: 1
> indexLimiT: 3
> Receiver's instance variables:
> {[closure] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns . [closure] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns...etc...
> 
> TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns
> Receiver: a TalkInboxBrowser
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> 
> Receiver's instance variables:
> dependents: a DependentsArray(a PluggableSystemWindow<Squeak Inbox Talk - squea...etc...
> backgroundWorkers: a WeakValueDictionary(#contents->nil #conversations->a Process...etc...
> backgroundWorkerUpdateMessages: a SharedQueue(1)
> inbox: a TalkInbox<squeak-dev>
> searchModel: a TalkTextSearchModel
> selectedConversation: nil
> allConversations: #()
> numberOfConversations: nil
> conversations: an OrderedCollection()
> menuFilter: a TalkFilterSet
> contents: a Text for 'Welcome to Squeak Inbox Talk!
> 
> In the last 90 days, the s...etc...
> 
> PluggableMultiColumnListMorph>>getFullList
> Receiver: a PluggableMultiColumnListMorph(2530911)
> Arguments and temporary variables:
> columnIndex: nil
> columnIndexLimiT: nil
> rowIndex: nil
> firstRow: nil
> columns: nil
> listSize: nil
> selector: #conversationColumns
> Receiver's instance variables:
> bounds: 582 at 205 corner: 1686 at 654
> owner: a PluggableSystemWindow<Squeak Inbox Talk - squeak-dev>(2630478)
> submorphs: {a TransformMorph(1579066)}
> fullBounds: 582 at 205 corner: 1686 at 654
> color: Color white
> extension: a MorphExtension (2006877) [locked] [other: (textColor -> Color bl...etc...
> borderWidth: 1
> borderColor: (Color r: 0.368 g: 0.391 b: 0.496)
> model: a TalkInboxBrowser
> slotName: nil
> open: false
> scrollBar: a ScrollBar(730638)
> scroller: a TransformMorph(1579066)
> retractableScrollBar: false
> scrollBarOnLeft: false
> getMenuSelector: #conversationMenu:
> getMenuTitleSelector: nil
> hasFocus: false
> hScrollBar: a ScrollBar(3118713)
> hScrollBarPolicy: #whenNeeded
> vScrollBarPolicy: #whenNeeded
> scrollBarThickness: 10
> list: {an OrderedCollection() . an OrderedCollection() . an OrderedCollection()...etc...
> fullList: {an OrderedCollection() . an OrderedCollection() . an OrderedCollection...etc...
> modelToView: a Dictionary()
> viewToModel: a Dictionary()
> getListSelector: #conversationColumns
> getListSizeSelector: nil
> getListElementSelector: nil
> getIndexSelector: #selectedConversationIndex
> setIndexSelector: #selectedConversationIndex:
> keystrokeActionSelector: nil
> autoDeselect: true
> lastKeystrokeTime: 0
> lastKeystrokes: ''
> lastClickTime: nil
> doubleClickSelector: #openConversation
> handlesBasicKeys: nil
> potentialDropRow: nil
> hoverRow: 0
> listMorph: a LazyListMorph(3695936)
> keystrokePreviewSelector: nil
> priorSelection: nil
> getIconSelector: #conversationIconAtRow:atColumn:
> getHelpSelector: #conversationHelpAtRow:atColumn:
> listMorphs: an OrderedCollection(a LazyListMorph(3695936) a LazyListMorph(12072...etc...
> 
> --- The full stack ---
> SqhMailmanAggregator(Object)>>notify:
> [] in SqhMailmanAggregator>>messagesNormalizedDo:
> Dictionary(Collection)>>ifEmpty:
> SqhMailmanAggregator>>messagesNormalizedDo:
> SqhMailmanAggregator>>resetCacheForMailMessages
> SqhMailmanAggregator class>>resetCacheForMailMessages
> SqhMailmanAggregator class>>messages
> SqhMailmanAggregator class>>resetCacheForMailInReplyTo
> SqhMailmanAggregator class>>conversations
> TalkMailConversation>>mails
> TalkConversation>>messages
> TalkConversation>>latestDate
> [] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns
> [] in [] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns
> OrderedCollection>>collect:
> [] in TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns
> Array(SequenceableCollection)>>withIndexCollect:
> TalkInboxBrowser>>conversationColumns
> PluggableMultiColumnListMorph>>getFullList
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> PluggableMultiColumnListMorph>>getFilteredList
> PluggableMultiColumnListMorph(PluggableListMorph)>>getList
> PluggableMultiColumnListMorph(PluggableListMorph)>>updateListFilter
> PluggableMultiColumnListMorph(PluggableListMorph)>>updateList:
> PluggableMultiColumnListMorph(PluggableListMorph)>>updateList
> PluggableMultiColumnListMorph(PluggableListMorph)>>update:
> [] in TalkInboxBrowser(Object)>>changed:
> DependentsArray>>do:
> TalkInboxBrowser(Object)>>changed:
> TalkInboxBrowser(TalkModel)>>changed:
> TalkInboxBrowser>>changed:
> TalkInboxBrowser(TalkModel)>>changedDependent:
> TalkInboxBrowser>>changedDependent:
> [] in TalkInboxBrowser(TalkModel)>>changed:
> Array(SequenceableCollection)>>do:
> TalkInboxBrowser(TalkModel)>>changed:
> TalkInboxBrowser>>changed:
> [] in TalkInboxBrowser>>startGatheringConversations
> [] in [] in [] in [] in TalkInboxBrowser(TalkModel)>>backgroundWorkerFor:do:updating:thenDo:
> TalkInboxBrowser(TalkModel)>>stepForBackgroundWorkerAt:
> StepMessage(MorphicAlarm)>>value:
> [] in WorldState>>runLocalStepMethodsIn:
> [] in ActiveWorldVariable class(DynamicVariable class)>>value:during:
> FullBlockClosure(BlockClosure)>>ensure:
> ActiveWorldVariable class(DynamicVariable class)>>value:during:
> [] in ActiveWorldVariable class>>value:during:
> FullBlockClosure(BlockClosure)>>ensure:
> ActiveWorldVariable class>>value:during:
> PasteUpMorph>>becomeActiveDuring:
> WorldState>>runLocalStepMethodsIn:
> WorldState>>runStepMethodsIn:
> PasteUpMorph>>runStepMethods
> WorldState>>doOneCycleNowFor:
> WorldState>>doOneCycleFor:
> PasteUpMorph>>doOneCycle
> [] in MorphicProject>>spawnNewProcess
> [] in FullBlockClosure(BlockClosure)>>newProcess
> 
> > Am 17.07.2021 um 17:13 schrieb Thiede, Christoph <Christoph.Thiede at student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>:
> >
> > Hi Bernhard,
> >
> > Thanks a lot for your feedback! :-)
> >
> >> I clicked on the Beta version button as well. Not sure if this did install a newer version, though.
> >
> > Actually, this button only opens an app menu. If you want to install the latest updates, click "self-update" in this menu.
> >
> >> What is the best way to find this out, by the way.
> >
> > At the moment, there isn't one, I'm afraid. But if you hit the "send feedback" button in the app menu, you can see the change date of the current version. You could then compare this date to the latest commit date in the GitHub repository. But yes, it would be nice to have an easier way for this. Maybe a contemporary package manager for Squeak that supports Metacello ...
> >
> >> I ran into a MNU when trying to filter conversions by myself.
> >
> > Ouch, sorry for that! I have just commited a fix for that, if you choose the self-update option, you should be able to use these filters now.
> >
> >> This e-mail is a test if replying works for me.
> >
> > It works! :-)
> >
> > If there are any other bugs or inconveniences, please report back. Otherwise, I'll also accept success experience reports. :D
> >
> > Best,
> > Christoph
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Von:bernhard at pieber.com<bernhard at pieber.com>
> > Gesendet:Samstag, 17. Juli 2021 10:26:59
> > An:squeak-dev at lists.squeakfoundation.org; Thiede, Christoph
> > Betreff:Re: [ANN] Squeak Inbox Talk - bringing squeak-dev into your image
> > Hi Christoph,
> >
> > Congratulations on Squeak Inbox Talk. Impressive work!
> >
> > I have yet to use it more to give more extensive feedback. However, the first impression is great.
> >
> > Installation went smoothly. I clicked on the Beta version button as well. Not sure if this did install a newer version, though. What is the best way to find this out, by the way.
> >
> > I ran into a MNU when trying to filter conversions by myself.
> >
> > This e-mail is a test if replying works for me.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bernhard
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