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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Ger</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now that Jim Benson has given up stalking me I can
get back to re-reading your emails again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Owing to the fact that each time I scan them I see
a different nuance. Your language does require a bit of study to get your
exact meaning. Please don't feel you have to change anything it is up to
me to adjust my tuning that is all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I read the url about levels and concluded, that
like CRC, it is missing the point. It is returning from the "wilds" of
Networking, Peer to Peer, to the traditional (disliked ) MIS (hierarchical)
Structure-Function Model. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This may not be what you mean by Yo Yo but, this
trend looks like it to me: Yo Yo-ing between both methods. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Charles used to pride himself of the fact that he
combined both the methodologies in his <STRONG>HierNet</STRONG> (a hierarchy
riding on to of a network).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I refused to accept that interpretation: It
contradicted Kants understanding of the "<STRONG>Separation of Powers</STRONG>"
and which is even anchored in European Social law.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is only recently that Charles has come to
agree with me. He is maturing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>He now regard his <STRONG>Purpose</STRONG>
Statement or <STRONG>Goals</STRONG> to be more significant than he had first
thought.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The <STRONG>HierNet</STRONG> is <STRONG>much
more</STRONG> than just the <STRONG>manifold</STRONG> of three
levels:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>1</STRONG>.) Concept,
<STRONG>2</STRONG>.)Logistics, <STRONG>3</STRONG>.)Physical<STRONG>;</STRONG>
(the manifest <STRONG>CONDITION</STRONG> of their <STRONG>tripartheit
struggle</STRONG>).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is <STRONG>0</STRONG>.) <STRONG>Unity</STRONG>
(of all of these three Concepts into one absolute whole).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This <STRONG>Unity is Absolute</STRONG>, Totality,
<STRONG>CONDITION-less.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ger ! I cannot stress enough the importance of
the concept of the Absolute for it is Reasons only task: to bring this
<STRONG>Systematic Unity</STRONG> to our awareness and appreciate the
<STRONG>Idea of Freedom</STRONG> itself. The children of this powerfull
Absolute Idea are <STRONG>CAUSE and EFFECT</STRONG>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do you see what I mean? Why Kant is such a
great thinker and not a mere philosopher.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We are now able to build your dream
Ger.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Today. because we finally understand
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ciao</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Justin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=G.J.Tielemans@dinkel.utwente.nl
href="mailto:G.J.Tielemans@dinkel.utwente.nl">G.J.Tielemans@dinkel.utwente.nl</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:59
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Three Threads Of
Squeak</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Following the link to of Alan in another discussion, I found
on the website of Mitchel Resnick <A
href="http://www.media.mit.edu/~mres/">http://www.media.mit.edu/~mres/</A> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>nice
examples of active essays <A
href="http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/circles/">http://el.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/circles/</A> this
time in StarLogo (you need a plugin)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001></SPAN><SPAN
class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
also took a look in his article list and found one that hits my current
problem: </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>"How
to create a design interface for non-technical (and technical!)
professors that facilitates them during the construction of
educational learning settings" </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Not
only courses, but also for problem based learning, cases, virtual
companies, project group approaches etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>For
courses we had a successful prototype, I earlier refereed to:
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://130.89.152.133:8888/EducationalDesign/uploads/2/TeletopLearningRevised.doc">http://130.89.152.133:8888/EducationalDesign/uploads/2/TeletopLearningRevised.doc</A>
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What
these designers (as normal problem solvers?) want to do is all
these things together.. surfing between levels in their design
space..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What
I need most is a tool that helps them to differentiate (VISUAL ! !) between
these levels and the different things you do on these levels with the
possibility to go back and forth during design. Made me cry: "I need a
yo-yo-editor!"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>This
leveling focus I did find in this article, made me
rethink..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://www.ccl.sesp.northwestern.edu/cm/papers/levels/levels.html">http://www.ccl.sesp.northwestern.edu/cm/papers/levels/levels.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
think you refer also to these levels during design, and give them common sense
names. thanks, I will work further on that
idea. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>===========================</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We,
people of ten Dutch Universities and Colleges united in "Dutch
Digitale Universiteit" are working on the adaptation of an Educational
Markup Language, designed by the Dutch Open University. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It is offered
to the IMS learning design group to become a subset of the IMS standards (Of
course are their other candidates for this)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Core
of this EML is to deliver an XML based, platform independent description
tool for educational arrangements, ending up in Learning Design
Specifications, not only a tree of related resources but also descriptions
(Not prescriptions!) of conditions (also nested) that can be
followed by the runtime system when you unfold it there.... Maps to
Alan's idea of "extreme late educational binding"?)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>(for
the DTD of EML 1.0 see: htttp://eml.ou.nl)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>One
of the activities is to design authoring tools for people who are
not used to read XML-tree's on a daily base and still being in control of
the levels of design. More Tips? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=255591410-01112001></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT
size=2><SPAN class=255591410-01112001><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=255591410-01112001></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=255591410-01112001> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Justin Walsh
[mailto:jwalsh@bigpond.net.au]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 01, 2001
11:06 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Three Threads Of
Squeak<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Missing attachment</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jwalsh@bigpond.net.au href="mailto:jwalsh@bigpond.net.au">Justin
Walsh</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
href="mailto:squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 01, 2001 8:04
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Three Threads Of Squeak</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Building professional software is like building
a, building:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Three stages:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Concept requires
Designer ~ ideas</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Logistic
requires Architect ~ concepts</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Construct
requires Builder ~ objects</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One tool, three threads. Designers don't lay
bricks and Brickies don't design buildings.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are those that just like playing so the
above order doesnt matter unless the play is a professional activity. In
that case more threads may be added to the list.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is not productive to confuse these different
threads. It leads to insult and counter insult.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Generally speaking anyone who has ever been a
designer will understand the role of policy, philosopy, religion: in some
countries if the building faces the wrong direction nobody will live or work
in it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anybody who has ever been a brickie will
understand the role of initiate, inventiveness, imagination ie most of the
tools we find at the floor level have been created by workers "laying
bricks" or to stretch a metaphor, "writing code".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sandwiched in between are the Logicians who use
yet another set of tools to ensure that Designs correspond with Objects (of
design).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We don't have to like, understand,
accept, .., each other. Just respect each other.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Each has a different vision for Smalltalk that
is all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Attached is one person view on the
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