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<div>Everyone is an amateur lawyer ....</div>
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<div>Remember the law as it is generally set up now is in terms of
words to be argued about. There is very little actual logic anywhere
(pace Andrew!).</div>
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<div>It is a really interesting question then, as to what
"export" actually means in terms of the Internet. We are
certainly not<u> sending</u> the Squeak software anywhere overseas to
any such country. Someone has to get on our server and ask for it. And
then we don't send it to them, it is some other server somewhere in
the store and forward chain that breaks the law!</div>
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<div>This stuff is about the same level of sillyness as the US
restrictions on how much physical cash one can bring into the US
(>$10K raises alarms in customs), but there are no such
restrictions on electronic funds transfer.</div>
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<div>It might be a good idea to restrict SW to certain countries, but
this is quite unenforcable with the Internet in its current state. I
forget what the current theory in the US is about having laws that are
clearly unenforcable .....</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<div>Alan</div>
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<div>At 2:41 PM +0100 2/7/02, Marcus Denker wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 02:20:40PM +0100,
Stephane Ducasse wrote:<br>
> Can somebody tell me more about that and if nobody contacted
these<br>
> organization, is there a real issues why nobody contacted them or
this is<br>
> just because it just did not happen?<br>
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I'm no expert, but IMHO Squeak IS NOT Open Source:<br>
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http://opensource.org/docs/definition.html<br>
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| 5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups<br>
|<br>
|The license must not discriminate against any person or group of
persons.<br>
|<br>
|....<br>
|<br>
|Some countries, including the United States, have export restrictions
for<br>
|certain types of software. An OSD-conformant license may warn
licensees of<br>
|applicable restrictions and remind them that they are obliged to obey
the<br>
|law; however, it may not incorporate such restrictions itself.<br>
|<br>
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but http://squeak.org/download/license.html<br>
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|6. Export Law Assurances. You may not use or otherwise export or
reexport<br>
|the Apple Software except as authorized by United States law and the
laws of<br>
|the jurisdiction in which the Apple Software was obtained. In
particular,<br>
|but without limitation, the Apple Software may not be exported or
reexported<br>
|(i) into (or to a national or resident of) any U.S. embargoed country
or<br>
|(ii) to anyone on the U.S. Treasury Department's list of
Specially<br>
|Designated Nationals or the U.S. Department of Commerce's Table of
Denial<br>
|Orders. By using the Apple Software, you represent and warrant that
you are<br>
|not located in, under control of, or a national or resident of any
such<br>
|country or on any such list.<br>
|<br>
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--<br>
Marcus Denker marcus@ira.uka.de -- Squeak!
http://squeakland.org</blockquote>
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