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<div>Hi Andre --</div>
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<div>At 9:27 AM +0100 2/7/04, Andre Schnoor wrote:</div>
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size="-1">Hi,</font></tt></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><tt><font size="-1">I'm an old
Smalltalker and have been around with st80 since 1988. Currently I'm
doing some work with VW, which is absolutely great, but too expensive
for an early stage startup project.</font></tt></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><tt><font size="-1">I like the openness
and portability of Squeak and am evaluating if it could be a
platform for serious development and deployment of "shrink
wrapped" end user applications on Win32, MacOS 9, OS X and Linux
(knowledge based music composition in my case, hell of a complex
domain with a high demand on graphical user
interaction).</font></tt></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><tt><font size="-1">I could not yet find
any conventional UI and Look & Feel support for squeak. With
"conventional UI" I mean something that an average user can
instantly recognize as something he is already familiar
with.</font></tt></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><tt><font size="-1">I experienced
that users decide within 30 seconds after opening a new
application if they stay with it or go away. So I believe they should
better see something familiar ;-)</font></tt></blockquote>
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<div>So how did the Mac GUI become so popular when there was nothing
like it beforehand? How did the games GUIs get popular when there were
no games before them? I think it is possible to make new GUIs that
people can decide they like in the first moments (but consider the UI
of a skateboard or a bicycle, both of which require learning). For
example, many thousands of children and adults around the world are
happily using the etoy interface and we've never heard a wish for
something that looks more like MS.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><tt><font size="-1">Where can I find
resources for such kind of UI for Squeak? Do they
exist?</font></tt></blockquote>
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<div>There have been various GUI kits in Squeak, including one I liked
by Jim Benson. Perhaps he and others on the list can tell us the
current state of UI builders.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<div>Alan</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><tt><font size="-1">Any help is
appreciated.</font></tt></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><tt><font
size="-1">Andre</font></tt></blockquote>
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