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<font size=3>At 06:11 AM 7/5/2005, you wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">On Jul 5, 2005, at 12:39 PM,
Blake wrote:<br>
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In just about any professional desktop development tool today, the
<br>
process of displaying DB data in form or grid format is nigh <br>
automatic. I can do it without a line of code, and I can do
it <br>
even if I've never seen the tool in my life.</blockquote><br>
......<br>
At any rate, you're certainly right that Squeak is not a <br>
"professional desktop development tool". If you're
looking for one <br>
of those (and, I gather, on the Windows platform), try Dolphin.<br><br>
Avi<br>
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I too strongly agree with (the other) Blake. My company settled on
using<br>
Scheme instead of Squeak for these reasons plus one other.
Squeak<br>
is non-reentrent making it almost useless as an extension
language.<br><br>
It's real cute that you can do all kinds of neat stuff with Squeak.
The problem<br>
is that most people want to manipulate data. It's fun to play with
at home<br>
but its hard to make real use of it if you can't use it at work.
IMO, what<br>
would make Squeak a hell of a lot more useful would be:<br><br>
1. Make dialogs easy to develop and use<br>
2. Out-of-the-box and clean ODBC support<br>
3. Make the VM re-entrent<br>
4. Make it simple, lots of progressively complex examples<br><br>
Squeak has become way too complex to use. Yea, its easy
creating<br>
a new class or instantiating a collection class but just try to write
a<br>
simple phone book application. I'd find it hard to find a more
difficult<br>
and complex and undocumented environment.<br><br>
Please don't get me wrong. I really like Smalltalk and deeply
appreciate<br>
what the developers of Squeak have done. Try as I might, I can't
seem<br>
to figure out Squeak and make use of it. It has just become so
complex.<br>
I own the available books and they haven't been too much help -
they<br>
again basically ignore business applications (dialogs and
data). I'd live<br>
to see these issues resolved.<br><br>
Just one opinion.<br><br>
--blake (the other one)<br>
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