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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Dean_Swan@Mitel.COM">Dean_Swan@Mitel.COM</a> wrote:
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cite="midOF2A9B359D.0396CB73-ON85257091.00729646-85257091.0075EC6A@mitel.com"
type="cite"><br>
<font face="Courier New" size="2">>On the winXP side, I don't
think PIV's are "portable". Pentium-M and PIII <br>
>machines have loger battery life. And the performance is closer to
that of <br>
>G4 powerbooks, because there are no G5 powerbooks.<br>
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<font face="Courier New" size="2">You know, I don't know why Apple
and the PowerPC are STILL so wrongly characterized. I have a Dell
P4/3.0GHz with 1GB RAM running XP Pro SP2 at work (the machine I am
using at the moment), and my current personal machine is an iBook G4
1.2 GHz with 768M RAM running 10.4.2.</font>
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<font face="Courier New" size="2">On the Dell:</font>
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<font face="Courier New" size="2"> 0 tinyBenchmarks.</font>
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<font face="Courier New" size="2"><br>
</font><font size="2"><tt>'121904761 bytecodes/sec; 6356316
sends/sec'</tt></font>
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<font size="2"><tt> '120754716 bytecodes/sec; 6339168
sends/sec'</tt></font>
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<font size="2"><tt> '120868744 bytecodes/sec; 6350590
sends/sec'</tt></font>
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<font size="2"><tt>On the iBook:</tt></font>
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<font face="Courier New" size="2"> 0 tinyBenchmarks.</font>
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<font face="Courier New" size="2"><br>
</font><font size="2"><tt>'92552422 bytecodes/sec; 4149159
sends/sec'</tt></font>
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<font size="2"><tt> '92820884 bytecodes/sec; 4161047 sends/sec'</tt></font>
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<font size="2"><tt> '92418772 bytecodes/sec; 4121681 sends/sec'</tt></font>
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<font size="2"><tt>So, let's see, the G4 is clocked at 0.4 * the P4,
and yet the iBook benchmarks at > 0.65 times the P4 based on sends
and up to 0.75 times the P4 based on bytecodes. This was using the
same Squeak 3.7 image on both machines. I know this is far from a
rigorous benchmark, but it is reflective of my general experience.</tt></font>
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<font size="2"><tt>In general, my 1.2GHz G4 iBook feels every bit as
fast as my 3.0 GHz P4 desktop, so I don't see where people are saying
that the Mac will be faster on Intel, and that Pentium is so much
faster than PowerPC. Based on my experience, the G4 iBook outperforms
any Pentium latptop and costs at least $200 less than an "equivalent"
Wintel laptop.</tt></font>
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<font size="2"><tt>Where is everybody getting their "information"
from?</tt></font>
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<font size="2"><tt>Oh, and battery life - I regularly get over 5
hours out of the iBook.</tt></font>
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<font size="2"><tt>To the original poster, if you get to pick the
machine that your employer is providing, for Squeak, I would recommend
the Powerbook. In fact, unless there is some software that is Windows
only, I would still recommend the Powerbook. If you care about
numerical performance, Altivec on a G4 is going to beat a Pentium most
of the time, not even considering the G5.</tt></font>
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<font size="2"><tt>Ok, I don't want to fuel a Win vs. Mac fire here,
but my opinion is that the Powerbook is a much better computer than any
Win laptop. I voted with my dollars in January when my Sony P3 laptop
became too unreliable to depend on anymore (after 4 years).</tt></font>
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I'll add one more question to the fire:<br>
Anyone using a laptop and Linux to run Squeak? If so, are you happy?
What would you change?<br>
<br>
brad<br>
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