i meant universal in terms of percent of users familiar with it, not
percent of operating systems implementing. Also, i'm not
suggesting it's an inherently good design, just that it's widely
understood, like stopping at red lights and going on green.<br>
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also, if my criticism was overly harsh, let me paraphrase Alan Kay and
say that Smalltalk is the only language worth criticizing. if it
weren't so close to being a joy to work with, it wouldn't be so
frustrating when it lets you down. <br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/29/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">tim Rowledge</b> <<a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org">tim@rowledge.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>On 29-Nov-05, at 11:59 AM, Larry White wrote:<br>><br>> 1. I should be able to load the file from the "File List" browser.<br>> This is a close as Squeak comes to a file menu, which is a<br>> universally accepted approach to loading files into desktop software.
<br><br>Leaving aside the other issues and admittedly off topic somewhat, I<br>have to point out that this is an incorrect assertion. The concept of<br>a 'file menu' is far from universal, and far from a good UI idea.<br>
<br>Consider RISC OS where there is no such idea. Files are loaded by<br>dragging them from some other application. One such application is<br>the filer window but it works equally well if it is another app that<br>edits the same type of file. There is no idiotic 'mini-finder' used,
<br>just the main finder or other app. Completely pervasive drag and drop<br>works a lot better. It provides a UI level loose equivalent of pipes;<br>you can start by drawing something in the art app, drag it out to the<br>
convert-art-to-bitmap app, drag from that to the convert-bitmap-to-<br>jpeg app and then drag that to the ftp app to save it to the website.<br><br>Yes, it's very different to the boring 'standard' of Windows and Mac.<br>
It is a good demonstraton that 'file menu' is not a universally<br>accepted approach.<br><br><br>tim<br>--<br>tim Rowledge; <a href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org">tim@rowledge.org</a>; <a href="http://www.rowledge.org/tim">http://www.rowledge.org/tim
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