<div>I think that the VW UI looks quite good under Windows and Mac OS. It has also had many changes to the look and the tools as it has progressed from version to version. Look at 7.* compared to 5i.4 and 3.0.</div>
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<div>Squeak on the other hand looks wierd on all platforms with no sign of change. I am dedicated Smalltalker and Squeak's UI is a huge barrier for entry for me. I can't imagine that any non-smalltalker would see it and like it. It's strengths are far greater than it's weaknesses but it takes a certain level of proficiency to finally realize that.
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<div>I think dolphin has the look that makes it easier for people to want to look deeper.</div>
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<div>We shouldn't judge books by their cover, but everyone does. That's totally normal. Even if it has a 350 under the hood, who wants to drive a rusted out chevy nova? Or who wants a ferrari painted with a bunch of wierd random pastels?
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<div>Getting a little sex appeal, together with the amazingly cool Smalltalk features would make a huge difference in drawing new users. Look at Apple for example. Why buy an ipod or a mac when they cost more for the same functions. Because you like using them. It is a pleasure to see the great design.
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<div>We always say how if you don't like how squeak looks you can change it. But why not make it handsome from the get go and let the guys who want it ugly change it?</div>
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<div>Mike<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/11/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Michael Latta</b> <<a href="mailto:lattam@mac.com">lattam@mac.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I really do not have an issue with the Squeak UI. It is different from the<br>platform UI but seems reasonably well implemented and such. The size of
<br>scroll bars and borders is a bit small for my taste and eyes these days.<br>But, since this is Smalltalk I can always change them!<br><br>Mostly I was referring to the perception of Smalltalk as a language/system<br>that had its day and was on the decline. That is generally the response I
<br>get when mentioning it to those that have not actually used it on a project,<br>or who have been converted to the mainstream of Java or .Net.<br><br>The VisualWorks UI is a bit dated and still has the annoying 10 year old bug
<br>of not always repainting windows properly. That bug alone makes it look<br>dated.<br><br>Michael<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org
</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org">squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a>] On Behalf Of Bob Erb<br>Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:03 PM<br>To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
<br>Subject: Re: Smalltalk: Requiem or Resurgence? {Dr. Dobb's Journal<br>(05/06/06) Chan, Jeremy}<br><br>On 5/10/06, Michael Latta <<a href="mailto:lattam@mac.com">lattam@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> While Squeak can do far more than Ruby or Python, they
<br>> get much more press. In part this is because Smalltalk is seen as old.<br><br>The out-of-the-box UI is very old-fashioned; quaint, with the mousey<br>eyes, and the little window with the balloon, and the quirky colors. Maybe
<br>a slick update -- for programmers, rather than kids -- would help dispell<br>the "old" image. Maybe LCARS . . . :-)<br><br>- Bob<br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mike Hales<br>Engineering Manager
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