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... Children First!<br><br>
(It doesn't mean Squeak First, or Python or Ruby First.)<br><br>
Cheers,<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
At 07:24 PM 7/6/2006, Brad Fuller wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Markus Gaelli wrote: <br>
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On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Brad Fuller wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Serge Stinckwich wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">There is a report of Guido Van
Rossum about an Alan Kay talk in his <br>
web log here :
<a href="http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=167318">http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=167318</a>
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</blockquote>this is sad to read: <br><br>
Alan believes that Python has a much larger mindshare than Smalltalk or <br>
Squeak, and that because of this a similar environment in Python will <br>
have a greater chance of succeeding than the current Squeak one. Also, <br>
the $100 laptop already has Python, and Alan is of course hoping that a <br>
Squeak-like environment will be part of it, so this appears expedient. <br>
(At the Shuttleworth summit in April <br>
<a href="http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162" eudora="autourl"><</a>http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162<a href="http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162" eudora="autourl">></a> I believe <br>
Alan also suggested that Squeak is suffering from its extremely simple <br>
graphics model; apparently it cannot benefit from graphics accelerator <br>
cards because of its platform-independent architecture. Python on the <br>
other hand already has bindings to OpenGL and DirectX, for example.) <br><br>
--brad <br>
sonaural <br><br>
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Hi folks, <br><br>
let's be proud that Smalltalk was indispensable to come up with Etoys and let us accept the challenge. <br><br>
I googled for python IDEs today and found <br>
<a href="http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments">http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments</a> <br>
and there the most up to date IDE shootout of <br>
<a href="http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html">http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html</a> <br>
and <br>
<a href="http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html">http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html</a> <br><br>
I have to say that I was not impressed. <br><br>
The IDEs were either not free: Wing, Komodo and in the future PyDev <br>
based on Qt (Eric4) <br>
had no liberal license (Gnu! ): SPE <br>
couldn't eat their own dog food as they were based on Java: PyDev <br>
or didn't have convincing screenshots: DrPython <br><br>
Alan, which python IDE would you suggest us to widen our perspectives for ourselves, the job market and for helping to make the world a better place - if it is not Squeak? <br>
</blockquote><font face="Helvetica, Helvetica">I have no idea if Alan actually said that, there are not quotes. And, Alan can speak for himself. However(!), if the essence of the paraphrase is right, I think he's suggesting that Python can benefit from the work that Smalltalk has pioneered. But, I don't know if he's referring to the IDE, eToys, or what when he says "environment"</font><br><br>
<pre>--
brad
sonaural
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