We can also read this report from Mr. Guido Van Rossum's Chinese Blog<br>at: <br><a href="http://blog.csdn.net/gvanrossum/archive/2006/07/10/898557.aspx">http://blog.csdn.net/gvanrossum/archive/2006/07/10/898557.aspx</a><br>
<br>So I post some of our comments on it. Yes, the most important thing <br>is "Children first", no matter what kind of means. <br><br>Regards<br><br>Liu<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/8/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">
Hans N Beck</b> <<a href="mailto:hnbeck@t-online.de">hnbeck@t-online.de</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br><br>Am 07.07.2006 um 09:16 schrieb Andreas Raab:<br><br>> Right. I *fully* support Alan's efforts to get these communities<br>> involved in the educational efforts - if we compete then the kids<br>> will ultimately win. If that is in Squeak or in Python or in Ruby,
<br>> who cares?<br>><br>+1<br><br>We are always at the beginning of teaching knowledge, pedagogics as<br>didactics. No one can assume the Squeak is the last step here,<br>althought it is a very important one :-) Would be interesting to see,
<br>how Alan's experience in using Squeak may influence python or even<br>other things ;-)<br><br><br>Regards<br><br>Hans<br><br>> Cheers,<br>> - Andreas<br>><br>> Alan Kay wrote:<br>>> ... Children First!
<br>>> (It doesn't mean Squeak First, or Python or Ruby First.)<br>>> Cheers,<br>>> Alan<br>>> At 07:24 PM 7/6/2006, Brad Fuller wrote:<br>>>> Markus Gaelli wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>> On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Brad Fuller wrote:
<br>>>>>> Serge Stinckwich wrote:<br>>>>>>> There is a report of Guido Van Rossum about an Alan Kay talk<br>>>>>>> in his<br>>>>>>> web log here : <a href="http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp">
http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp</a>?<br>>>>>>> thread=167318<br>>>>>> this is sad to read:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Alan believes that Python has a much larger mindshare than
<br>>>>>> Smalltalk or<br>>>>>> Squeak, and that because of this a similar environment in<br>>>>>> Python will<br>>>>>> have a greater chance of succeeding than the current Squeak
<br>>>>>> one. Also,<br>>>>>> the $100 laptop already has Python, and Alan is of course<br>>>>>> hoping that a<br>>>>>> Squeak-like environment will be part of it, so this appears
<br>>>>>> expedient.<br>>>>>> (At the Shuttleworth summit in April<br>>>>>> < <<a href="http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp">http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp
</a>?<br>>>>>> thread=156162><a href="http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp">http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp</a>?<br>>>>>> thread=156162> <<a href="http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp">
http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp</a>?<br>>>>>> thread=156162> I believe<br>>>>>> Alan also suggested that Squeak is suffering from its extremely<br>>>>>> simple<br>
>>>>> graphics model; apparently it cannot benefit from graphics<br>>>>>> accelerator<br>>>>>> cards because of its platform-independent architecture. Python<br>>>>>> on the
<br>>>>>> other hand already has bindings to OpenGL and DirectX, for<br>>>>>> example.)<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> --brad<br>>>>>> sonaural<br>>>>>>
<br>>>>><br>>>>> Hi folks,<br>>>>><br>>>>> let's be proud that Smalltalk was indispensable to come up with<br>>>>> Etoys and let us accept the challenge.<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> I googled for python IDEs today and found<br>>>>> <a href="http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments">http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments</a><br>
>>>> and there the most up to date IDE shootout of<br>>>>> <a href="http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html">http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html</a>
<br>>>>> and<br>>>>> <a href="http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html">http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html</a><br>>>>><br>>>>> I have to say that I was not impressed.
<br>>>>><br>>>>> The IDEs were either not free: Wing, Komodo and in the future PyDev<br>>>>> based on Qt (Eric4)<br>>>>> had no liberal license (Gnu! ): SPE<br>>>>> couldn't eat their own dog food as they were based on Java: PyDev
<br>>>>> or didn't have convincing screenshots: DrPython<br>>>>><br>>>>> Alan, which python IDE would you suggest us to widen our<br>>>>> perspectives for ourselves, the job market and for helping to
<br>>>>> make the world a better place - if it is not Squeak?<br>>>> I have no idea if Alan actually said that, there are not quotes.<br>>>> And, Alan can speak for himself. However(!), if the essence of
<br>>>> the paraphrase is right, I think he's suggesting that Python can<br>>>> benefit from the work that Smalltalk has pioneered. But, I don't<br>>>> know if he's referring to the IDE, eToys, or what when he says
<br>>>> "environment"<br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> brad<br>>>> sonaural<br>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>> ---<br>
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