As said, we must give up to a frontal attack.<br>There is a plan to use Tweak instead of Morphic in the next few years (1-3)?<br>If Morphic will be obsolete in three years, it'd not be so bad to have "eToy1" around for a while.
<br><br>We can think of fixing only eToy critical bugs and left the others alone.<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/18/06, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:jvuletich@dc.uba.ar">jvuletich@dc.uba.ar
</a></b> <<a href="mailto:jvuletich@dc.uba.ar">jvuletich@dc.uba.ar</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Milan,
<br><br>It is hard to say, but it is a huge effort. May be in the 1000 hours<br>range. May be much more than that. I don't think it's worth doing.<br><br>For eToying, I'd use the Squeakland release, or may be 3.8 or 3.9. Or the
<br>new Tweak based, when available.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Juan Vuletich<br><br>> Juan,<br>><br>> Once eToys are removed (and as you suggested perhaps 20-30 hours work), do<br>> you<br>> think it is reasonbly possible to have them loadable again? I am not
<br>> asking<br>> you to do the "reload" piece of work, rather asking about your feeling<br>> about<br>> whether reloadability is possible, and what number of hours would you<br>> estimate to make eToys loadable (if such question even makes sense :) - in
<br>> very rough number, 10, 100, 1000 hours sort of thing). The reason I am<br>> asking, and perhaps there are others in this camp, is that for my personal<br>> playing with squeak I mostly play with eToys, and would have to either
<br>> help<br>> the reloading effort (which I will, but my abilities cannot guarantee<br>> much :) ) or switch to squeakland image. In any case, work towards a small<br>> well-defined "squeak core" (with hopefully loadable packages) makes
<br>> sense.<br>><br>> Thanks Milan<br>><br>> On 2006 October 18 06:10, Juan Vuletich wrote:<br>>> So, this seems a good time to remove eToys from the official release. I<br>>> can team with Pavel and Stef (and any other volunteer) to do this.
<br>>><br>>> However, it will take some 20 or 30 hours of work, and I think we need<br>>> to know if this will be adopted, otherwise I won't spend time on it.<br>>><br>>> I guess the Board could lead, and make a decision, or enlight me about
<br>>> the decision process for issues like this one.<br>>><br>>> Cheers,<br>>> Juan Vuletich<br>>><br>>> Marcus Denker wrote:<br>>> > The SqueakLand people don't use 3.9, and I am quite sure they never
<br>>> will.<br>>> ><br>>> > Etoys 1 is past live-cycle. There is 3.8/OLPC which is a cool Etoys<br>>> > image for eToys1.<br>>> ><br>>> > For the future, there needs to be a new eToys2 that is maintainable.
<br>>> > There is a very cool demo of a next-gen eToys based on Tweak.<br>>> > That seems, to me, much more the thing to take a look at for the<br>>> future<br>>> > eToy system.<br>>> >
<br>>> > Marcus<br>><br>><br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>"Just Design It" -- GG<br>Software Architect<br><a href="http://www.objectsroot.com/">http://www.objectsroot.com/
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