thanks guys, this is all great stuff, and i am very glad i started this(although you probably talk about it anyway)<br><br>>Case in point: YOU found it; others will too. Our goal<br>>should be to have a best of breed tool waiting for them when they start<br>
>to experiment.<br>i did find it, but only because my dad works for a company that writes software in smalltalk PetroVR-Caesar Systems <br><br>>Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating that we make the community<br>
>into some kind of elitist club where outsiders aren't welcome. I<br>>really like the way this community treats newcomers, and I wouldn't<br>>want to change that. I'm a recent arrival myself!<br>Thats like the hacker communtity, ive been trying to learn about security for some time now, and it is very hard to get in to learn about anything if you are not already l337("elite") :)<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 30, 2008 11:43 AM, Jason Johnson <<a href="mailto:jason.johnson.081@gmail.com">jason.johnson.081@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Jan 30, 2008 12:42 AM, Joshua Gargus <<a href="mailto:schwa@fastmail.us">schwa@fastmail.us</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> What do you<br>> think the costs are? (I can think of a few, but I'm curious about what<br>
> others think)<br><br></div>Well, as other's have said, languages having huge libraries doesn't<br>mean they're good. Of course a good counter argument to that is "who<br>cares, I can get X done very quickly. We can always fix the library<br>
later if it matters".<br><br>But the thing I would be most worried about is that what would happen<br>to the *language* if it became popular. If Squeak became the #1 used<br>language tomorrow that would mean we get the bulk of the people<br>
programming today. And the bulk of the people programming today seem<br>*extremely* adverse to learning new languages or new (better!) ways of<br>doing things. Even with the small-ish community we have now, we see<br>requests to add some silly/useless/redundant feature to the language<br>
that their old language had, every couple of months.<br><br>As for the job question: <a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/notnot.html" target="_blank">http://www.paulgraham.com/notnot.html</a><br>(especially bullet 16).<br>
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