<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 1, 2008 6:05 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene <<a href="mailto:edgardec2001@yahoo.com.ar">edgardec2001@yahoo.com.ar</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
TO ALL:<br><br>Just we meet with Matthew and some words with Craig.<br>I also see Steph and Andreas sending feedback here or in release team list.<br><br>It's important we reach some agree for next 3.11.<br>We only exchange ideas , trying to see the best road to follow.<br>
<br>I repeat my vision.<br><br>One day I wish to have a very small and smart thing.<br>I open workspace and say "Pier" and all loads and I in bussiness.<br><br>Maria wish play "DressTheDoll" with Etoys, then she type DressTheDoll (and<br>
the thing only loads the needed to she).<br><br>Some talented music (many Squeakers ) choose the last Stephane Rollandin<br>have and voila, he is doing jazz, tango or Nepal music (and not load Etoys<br>or Web)<br><br>Sure many more examples.<br>
<br>Now we have 3.10 , some just discover could load several things automatic,<br>some don't know 3.10 lack some packages living outside the base image.<br><br>3.11 could cut more packages and load again if needed.<br>
<br>The goal is going closer to MinimalMorphic.<br>Then to Kernel.<br>Then to Spoon.<br></blockquote><div> I like your vision - it's very much along the lines of the "evolutionary" approach I'm in favor of. Was there a discussion of the timeframe to get to Spoon? My concern is that to do it in a timeframe that will take advantage of the current ecosystem, there needs to be buy-in and some support from two of the big three(Squeakland, Croquet, Seaside) projects that are "Squeak" based. If that doesn't happen, then the 3.11 ought to go under a name other than Squeak so that it can have a reasonable chance to gain enough traction to do more than survive.<br>
<br>Cheers,<br>Laurence<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>I apologize if Craig or Pavel think different, sure they could explain<br>
better.<br><br>The point is if we should start from 3.8.2 (without Traits and Monticello)<br>or we should continue from 3.10 is now.<br><br>The tentative image I put in ftp is only a first prototype idea and was<br>3.10.<br>
<br>But some believe could have sense do some similar from 3.8.2<br>Kind of 3.10 without Monticello and Traits.<br><br>So we listen all ideas, wait all help.<br><br>========<br>Next meeting is scheduled tomorrow 2 February 2008 on IRC<br>
<br>8:00 Phoenix 16:00 Rosario 13:00 Europa<br><br>======<br><br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>