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Damien, Stephane <br>
OB System Browser worked at first try and looks exciting. (I've
already fixed what looked like a type error)<br>
Many thanks<br>
--Trygve<br>
<br>
On 20.02.2008 11:02, stephane ducasse wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:24FBCACC-DDBB-4464-8B50-F25A58EE3FEB@free.fr"
type="cite">hi Trygve
<br>
<br>
Just follow what damien said in his email, you will have a working
environment.
<br>
Let us know if you have problems.
<br>
<br>
Stef
<br>
<br>
On Feb 19, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Trygve Reenskaug wrote:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Nicolai,
<br>
Is it easy for you to give me a file that I can install as a starting
point for my own work? That would save me from digging into OmniBrowser
and Traits classes before I know I need them.
<br>
<br>
Cheers
<br>
--Trygve
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 19.02.2008 11:42, Nicolai Hess wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
Thank you for your quick answer.
<br>
<br>
So, no chance to get this browser for current traitsimplementation.
<br>
<br>
I wrote a small "traitsbrowser" based on omnibrowser-framework. It is
<br>
a really cool framework, just some lines of code to get a browser to
<br>
show all traits, which classes and traits using this trait and all
selectors
<br>
per class or used trait.
<br>
<br>
But it seems that omnibrowser is basically usable for browsing and
editing in a single
<br>
place. For refactoring or traitsbased development, it lacks the
possiblity
<br>
to have multiple views of different classes, and for example a
side-by-side
<br>
lists of class selectors to better compare two class structures.
<br>
And the navigation pane can only show on "path".
<br>
Especially to compare class selectors and a traits "interface" it would
<br>
be good to view this side-by-side. Or to see the trait or another class
"growing" while
<br>
refactoring methods out from one class there.
<br>
<br>
I know there is an extension for omnibrowser with multiple views. But
this
<br>
views are again for one single class.
<br>
<br>
<br>
Nicolai
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
<br>
Von: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
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Gesendet: 19.02.08 10:50:36
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An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
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Betreff: Re: install TraitsBrowser?
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Nicolai,
<br>
<br>
The reason why the old browser does not exist anymore is that it was
<br>
part of the initial implementation of Nathanael. Since this
<br>
implementation had grown out of research, it contained many
<br>
experiments etc. Therefore, Nathanael and I did a clean new
<br>
implementation of Traits, that is part of 3.9 now. What we did not do
<br>
is port the old browser extension (which was hackish because of the
<br>
inherent problems of the Morphic browser). There have been various
<br>
efforts to implement new GUI support with OmniBrowser, but AFAIK, none
<br>
has reached the state where it is really stable.
<br>
<br>
Cheers,
<br>
Adrian
<br>
<br>
On Feb 19, 2008, at 09:26 , Nicolai Hess wrote:
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">After the discussion about traits or no
traits I read the paper
<br>
"Traits: Tools and Methodology" and was just about to ask the same
<br>
question. Where to find this Traitsbrowser. So now why does this
<br>
Traitsbrowser not exist anymore? I thought this was very promising.
<br>
I know in the devimage are Omnibrowser extensions for traits, the one
<br>
button next to "instance, class, ?" to showing traits, and maybe
<br>
some more or
<br>
less hidden functions. But this traits view is a bit confusing. For
<br>
example the
<br>
class pane slides to the left and what you see in the traitspanel
<br>
isnt always a triat
<br>
but the same class.
<br>
I also tried the OB-Traitsbrowser(?), is this under further
<br>
development ?. The last
<br>
time I installed this browser, it nearly freezes my image with
<br>
terrible long computations
<br>
(for the dynamic protocols I think).
<br>
<br>
<br>
Nicolai
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
<br>
Von: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
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Gesendet: 19.02.08 07:44:00
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<br>
Betreff: Re: install TraitsBrowser?
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Trygve,
<br>
<br>
the TraitBrowser as presented in the trait articles does not exist
<br>
anymore. You can download an image with it, but it will be an old
<br>
Squeak image. I advise you to download a squeak-dev image
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://damien.cassou.free.fr/squeak-dev.html">http://damien.cassou.free.fr/squeak-dev.html</a> which contains necessary
<br>
tools to start working with traits. Feel free to ask any question.
<br>
<br>
<br>
Bye
<br>
<br>
On Feb 18, 2008 9:52 PM, Trygve Reenskaug <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:trygver@ifi.uio.no"><trygver@ifi.uio.no></a>
wrote:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">There is an excellent home page for
Traits:
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~scg/Research/Traits/">http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~scg/Research/Traits/</a>
<br>
It has several very informative articles; it is wonderful to see a
<br>
package that is built on solid ground.
<br>
<br>
I miss one very important piece of information: How do I install the
<br>
latest TraitsBrowser?
<br>
(I start from Squeak3.10.gamma.7159 with the addition of my own
<br>
code)
<br>
<br>
Thanks
<br>
--Trygve
<br>
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