Hi, <br>sorry to jump on the list.<br>I'm a long time smalltalker, I like Squeak, but I come from VisualSmalltalk, and used a lot of commercial smalltalk, actually most of work done on Cincom VW.<br>Using VW or Squeak or other dialects is a choice, where one decide if paying for a commercial product or staying on the opensource, depending on the cost/value in his particular case.<br>
I find really strange that people should be sorry for thinking about using a commercial product.<br>I want to sell my product, if I think I have advantages on using a commercial one, why not? If I think I don't have advantages, then the open source version will be fine.<br>
<br>If I don't wanna sell the product, but release it free, then both VW and squeak are free, so, no question, just use the best, independent to price that is zero on both cases. In any case, use smalltalk, whatever you want.<br>
<br>ciao<br><br>Giorgio<br><br>BTW: the look is not the best reason I have for using visualworks. I really like what is possible to do with squeak, in term of less conventional UI.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Diogenes Moreira <<a href="mailto:diogenes.moreira@gmail.com">diogenes.moreira@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Yes off course, but, the people out of squeak community don't see with good eyes a platform whom don't have tools to make "Common Applications"( For me a Morphic Application is good, but the common user have requirements like "I wanna my name in the titlebar" )<br>
<br>I'm fully agree with you, and don't see any reason to pay to Cincom, but the Facts are the Fact, and the common people yet choise VW becouse the application's look & feel are more "Common".<br>
<br>Please, don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with Squeak.....and I'm wrote this mail because I hope It be useful<br>.<br><br>Regards<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 4:07 PM, John M McIntosh <<a href="mailto:johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com" target="_blank">johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">If you are going to use VW the question then is what you have to pay cincom if you have a commercial application <div>
<div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Diogenes Moreira <<a href="mailto:diogenes.moreira@gmail.com" target="_blank">diogenes.moreira@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">HI folks:<br><br>In the follow mail, you can see a typical question...and answer...<br><br>
In my point of view, is very important support projects like Seaside or SqueakGTK (with Esteban Lorenzano's Approach) to make Squeak easier and more interesting to Newbies and the common people, and the end, the Following Question will be a Obviously answer "Squeak"<br>
<br>Regards.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Diogenes Moreira</b> <<a href="mailto:diogenes.moreira@gmail.com" target="_blank">diogenes.moreira@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 2:40 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects<br>To: "A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions about Squeak." <<a href="mailto:beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org" target="_blank">beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org</a>><br>
<br><br>Hi:<br><br>Obviously, you can.<br><br>But, VW have tools and things to make easy the development and deploy.<br>Some thing, like UIPaint, don't have your replacement in Squeak, but I don't find any stopper to develop in Squeak.<br>
<br>The only point to review is this: Your application always will be in a World (Squeak Enviroment),<br><br>Here you are some tips.<br> First Tip: make 2 images, one for development and other to production. In the production Image only load your needed package. When finish you development make a file out or use Monticello to export your classes to you production image.<br>
Second Tip: You can package your images like Lukas Reggie do in Seaside One lick. <br> Third Tip: You can customize the UI in your application like mac with Pinesoft package.<br><br>Regards<div><div></div><div>
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<br> <br><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:08 PM, RENE PLOURDE <<a href="mailto:realpepe@mac.com" target="_blank">realpepe@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Can one use Squeak to build and sell applications? My wife is a<br>
musician and has some ideas for a Music Theory Application and asked<br>
if I could build it. The choices seem to be between Squeak and<br>
VisualWorks.<br>
<br>
If one built an application with Squeak are there tools for packaging<br>
it so that you only ship executables and not the entire development<br>
environment?<br>
<br>
Thanks for any information you can provide.<br>
<br>
Rene'<br>
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