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<DIV><SPAN class=015274621-08042008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Perhaps a friendly "wizard" upon stating of the fresh image may be
appropriate. It could use Universes, perhaps, a meta-universe of high-level
choices ("have fun" "develop" etc.). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=015274621-08042008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Gary</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org
[mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Stephen Pair<BR><B>Sent:</B> 08 April 2008 10:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> The
general-purpose Squeak developers list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [squeak-dev]
What turns off newcomers<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 8:02 PM, tim Rowledge <<A
href="mailto:tim@rowledge.org">tim@rowledge.org</A>> wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I
think there is a bit of a logical problem here ins that if the system
*didn't* have 'all that junk' the immediate result would be complaints that
'it doesn't have all that useful stuff like other systems'.</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>I'd prefer this logical problem be solved by moving as much junk as is
practically possible out of the base image(s), but make it trivial to find and
load them back in. Half that battle is in the finding. Right now,
I can imagine that it's difficult for many people to tell the most useful
stuff that's out there. Maybe the board or some other body could build a
consensus top 20 downloads (for a newbie developer audience at first), give
them prominence in the image, and make sure the load ok in the base image(s),
that would be a good start. Eventually, maybe we could make it so that
certain things can be triggered to get loaded automatically (I can imagine for
example that turning on syntax highlighing could be made to load Shout
automatically).</DIV>
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<DIV>- Stephen</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>