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<div>I have always tracked it and been curious but the bar seemed too high to get started - however having a nice looking default image with a good range of tools that compare nicely "with the competition" suddenly made it easier to get started and start using lots of the good stuff available.</div>
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<div>I agree with you<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Tim M <<a href="mailto:365nice@gmail.com">365nice@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi Damien,<br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Ramon Leon <<a href="mailto:ramon.leon@allresnet.com" target="_blank">ramon.leon@allresnet.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br><br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I'm aware of this problem and I already tried to push the Rio<br>package this way. I think I failed because I don't see much activity<br>
around Rio. So maybe an inclusion in dev-images is not enough to<br>advert a package. I don't know.<br><br>--<br>Damien Cassou<br></blockquote>I'd hate to see the dev image become a showroom for packages, I'd<br>
rather see it continue to be loaded with stuff most developers would<br>load anyway. A package should probably be fairly popular and useful<br>to even be considered for inclusion in the dev image because as soon<br>as I have to start taking things out of it, I'll stop using it and go<br>
back to building my own.<br><br></blockquote>This is the conclusion I also arrived at. However, things are not<br>properly defined: how do you determine the popularity of a package?<br>what is the threshold?<br></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">From a newcomers perspective - your images showcase whats possible from a <br></blockquote>developers point of view in Squeak. My early experiences of Squeak put me off for several years - it was an eyesore that only a mother could love (sorry to be brutal). As a professional programmer used to other tools like Eclipse, Visual Studio, Dolphin, Visual Age - the bar is quite high and Squeak struggles to attract new blood in its default incarnation.<br>
<br>I have always tracked it and been curious but the bar seemed too high to get started - however having a nice looking default image with a good range of tools that compare nicely "with the competition" suddenly made it easier to get started and start using lots of the good stuff available.<br>
<br>It seems like the squeak gurus would always start with a pure image and load up what they want becuase they know whats available and how to do that - I still struggle learning all the idioms and where to look so having a rich starting point is a great help.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>Tim<br><br><br><br><br></font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>David Zmick<br>/dz0004455\<br><a href="http://dz0004455.googlepages.com">http://dz0004455.googlepages.com</a><br><a href="http://dz0004455.blogspot.com">http://dz0004455.blogspot.com</a>