<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/10/9 Lukas Renggli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:renggli@gmail.com">renggli@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Cool, user interface.<br>
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However, you do not detect two other important static dependencies:<br>
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- Package A subclasses a class of package B.<br>
- Package A extends a class of package B.</blockquote><div><br>Yes, I was aware of loose methods (I'm interpreting extends here means LM) and hierarchy references, and my idea was to add an OBColumn next to the code pane like <br>
<br><a href="http://mail.wiresong.ca/pipermail/ob-dev/attachments/20080923/e19a0b11/attachment-0001.jpeg">http://mail.wiresong.ca/pipermail/ob-dev/attachments/20080923/e19a0b11/attachment-0001.jpeg</a><br><br>but it seems OmniBrowser do not allow this easily (creating a new column in a subclass of the traditional Standard Browser is even harder). You'll notice if I'm succeded in the next version :)<br>
<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">We are using a similar tool to package Seaside. Unfortunately it has<br>
no GUI, but we are using GraphViz zu visualize the dependencies [1].</blockquote><div><br>That is the original idea. I have never tried GraphViz, but from the image in the link I can see GraphViz is able to ensure disjointness between nodes but the image looks confusing, tangled, from an user's perception view. It seems like the layout adjustement algorithm were unable to preserve symmetries from an input (or breaks down the topology for the sake of preserving a proximity model).<br>
<br>Is there a link explaining how to use GraphVIz from Squeak? I presume if graphs could be showed inside the Squeak image, the whole and details view problem could be solved, achieving simultaneity and uniqueness (that means, facilities like the fish-eye view enabling different magnification ratios).<br>
<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Have a look at Package-Dependencies in<br>
<<a href="http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/unsorted" target="_blank">http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/unsorted</a>>. It automatically calculates<br>
cycles and is able to hide transitive dependencies. It would be<br>
interesting to extend it further to also take selectors into account,<br>
that are only implemented in a single package.</blockquote><div><br>I will take a look at it.<br>Cheers.<br><br>Hernán<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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There are other tools available: MudPie [2] and Moose [3].<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Lukas<br>
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[1] <a href="http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/dropbox/seaside-2.9/seaside.png" target="_blank">http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/dropbox/seaside-2.9/seaside.png</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://map.squeak.org/package/617dbc24-e029-4d8c-a941-68db8c867952" target="_blank">http://map.squeak.org/package/617dbc24-e029-4d8c-a941-68db8c867952</a><br>
[3] <a href="http://moose.unibe.ch/" target="_blank">http://moose.unibe.ch/</a><br>
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On 10/9/08, David T. Lewis <<a href="mailto:lewis@mail.msen.com">lewis@mail.msen.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 03:17:40PM -0300, Hern??n Morales Durand wrote:<br>
> > Dear Squeakers,<br>
> > If you ever wondered how to observe dependencies between packages in the<br>
> > image, now you can use this new Dependency Browser. Instructions for using<br>
> > it are in the following pages:<br>
> ><br>
> > Castellano : <a href="http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-es.php" target="_blank">http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-es.php</a><br>
><br>
> > Fran??ais : <a href="http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-fr.php" target="_blank">http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-fr.php</a><br>
><br>
> > English : <a href="http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-en.php" target="_blank">http://cs.hernanmorales.com.ar/DBrowser-en.php</a><br>
> ><br>
> > Regards.<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> > Hern??n<br>
><br>
> I have not installed this to try it yet, but the DependencyWalker looks<br>
> like a really interesting idea!<br>
><br>
> Dave<br>
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