Igor,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Igor Stasenko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:siguctua@gmail.com">siguctua@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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</div>To awake Squeakers, you should think about developers. Not childrens,<br>
nor teachers, because they are end users.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
First we should make squeak a nice living places for devs, then<br>
developers will turn it out to nice place for the rest in the world.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Make no toys, make things for professionals, so they can easily make own toys.<br>
And 3.11 "vaporware" is the step towards developers, as well as Pharo.<br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br>To be true,<br>
thinking, that you have forgotten, that:<br>
<br>
Software developer or programmer is just like a translator, and nothing more...<br>
Their work is to interpret the "real world problems" of "end users" into "virtual world problems".<br>
But they NOTHING know really about these "real world problems" and how to solve them in "virtual world" also.<br>
They could only translate "word by word or letter by letter" according
to the "sentences", constructed by the "end user" (like "from English to
French etc.") using different models.<br>
<br>
SQUEAK is one of the attempts to develop the self-exploratory
environment, where "developers" could not be needed for the "end
users" at all,<br>
because "end users" are NOT "end users=impotent mans=dead users etc..",
but they are the CREATORS of their own real and virtual worlds and
life. <br>
So, Etoys is not a "toy", but the real "anti-developer-programmer"
software solution attempt, that allows "end users" to be the real CREATORS. <br>
<br>
"To awake Squeakers", you should think about children, teachers, etc.. and about developers, who accept the
Etoy's philosophic concept at list.<br><br>Regards,<br>Nikolay Suslov<br>