<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On 15/12/2008, at 18:45, Casimiro de Almeida Barreto wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">It's more than that:</SPAN><BR style="text-align: justify; "><BR style="text-align: justify; "></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; "></SPAN><OL style="text-align: justify; "><LI style="text-align: justify; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">We know that someone is supposed to test things for collateral issues.</SPAN></FONT></LI><LI style="text-align: justify; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">We know that someone will see if conventions established by the community are being followed.</SPAN></FONT></LI><LI style="text-align: justify; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">We know that someone will be supposed to document the bugs and code evolution.</SPAN></FONT></LI><LI style="text-align: justify; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">We know that someone will be supposed to care for more subtle problems like dealing with security issues.</SPAN></FONT></LI></OL><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">I don't like the term czar. In fact not a czar but a person or a group of people in charge of house keeping.</SPAN><BR style="text-align: justify; "><BR style="text-align: justify; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">Going to the best known example of large scale free software, Linux didn't catch up until we had:</SPAN><BR style="text-align: justify; "></FONT><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; "></SPAN><OL style="text-align: justify; "><LI style="text-align: justify; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">Coherent distributions</SPAN></FONT></LI><LI style="text-align: justify; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">People in charge of maintaining these distributions</SPAN></FONT></LI><OL style="text-align: justify; "><LI style="text-align: justify; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">Assuring packages are coherent (directories, libraries, terminology, etc)</SPAN></FONT></LI><LI style="text-align: justify; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">Documenting things</SPAN></FONT></LI><LI style="text-align: justify; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">Receiving complaints from community (bugzillas and other kinds of complaints)</SPAN></FONT></LI><LI style="text-align: justify; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">Communicating problems to community</SPAN></FONT></LI><LI style="text-align: justify; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">Communicating committee decisions to community</SPAN></FONT></LI><LI style="text-align: justify; "><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">Communicating community requests to committee</SPAN><BR style="text-align: justify; "></FONT></LI></OL></OL><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">Before that Linux was a toy for students/researchers at universities. "Serious people" used SunOS, later Solaris, AIX, HPUX, Microsoft, MacOS...</SPAN><BR style="text-align: justify; "><BR style="text-align: justify; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-align: justify; ">Current status is that squeak is still a toy for researchers. If some kind of organization doesn't emerge to deal with less attractive aspects of software life-cycle management, it will hard to find resources to ensure its future.</SPAN><BR style="text-align: justify; "></FONT><BR></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Ok. change the name.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Reviewer of Packages ? Pundit ? Marshal ?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Not the same person / group as the Release team.</DIV><DIV>Keith should take a decision.</DIV><DIV>Or he made the release , or he review , but no both.</DIV><DIV>The same person could't be President and Supreme Court Judge !</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Edgar</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></BODY></HTML>