That's an interesting idea. Quite a lot of the momentum in Python, Lua, ECMAScript, etc. come from their embedded-ness.<br><br>Smalltalk was built embedded in an OS that it was never entirely comfortable with, although there have been many attempts at scripting Smalltalk from other programs, Seaside being the most notable success.<br>
<br>I suggest that this ideal already exists. The benefits come from specific implementations.<br><br>It would be interesting to see a Croquet variant with a modern game engine. Smalltalk and C++ should be able to play well together.<br>
<br>Steve<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:53 AM, askoh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:askoh@askoh.com">askoh@askoh.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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I think it is good you dare to speak your mind. I also think that the Squeak<br>
community can take that. Keep your ideas coming.<br>
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I would like Squeak to be callable from other programs so that it can be<br>
used as plugins.<br>
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Aik-Siong Koh<br>
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Giuseppe Luigi Punzi Ruiz wrote:<br>
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> We have elections soon.<br>
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> I'ts time to think about the project. What we search? What new<br>
> developers search?<br>
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> I think, probably, Squeak, needs a refactoring on the ideas behind. The<br>
> people thath wants etoys, use etoys image. Croquet uses his own image.<br>
> Now, at the moment (2009), I'm 90% sure, the people thath go to<br>
> <a href="http://squeak.org" target="_blank">squeak.org</a>, and get the latest Squeak, now, are developers searching a<br>
> good smalltalk (something similar to VW but opensource I means) to use<br>
> in their projects, not the use of Squeak as multimedia, or something<br>
> similar. I know this for all spanish people ask me about Squeak, or<br>
> developers "going out the list" searching Pharo, an approach to the<br>
> things I say.<br>
><br>
> I like the idea about a console squeak (like GST) with the objects<br>
> living in memory, but not dependent of the "World", launching the actual<br>
> Squeak World as an object (I don't know if is the actual behaviour, I<br>
> only dream) if you want, or launching something like VW (or Dolphin)<br>
> working over TK or GTK or WxWidgets or technologys like XUL<br>
> instead.....I like the idea of an UI Painter....I like the idea of all<br>
> Squeak tools running over web too..well, this idea don't like it very<br>
> much :)..but I don't have the skills for all of this, for this I offer<br>
> the ideas. But most important, is the community has vote for this<br>
> things. The community needs to stay informed about the movements. I<br>
> think, this, is the right direction.<br>
><br>
> I don't know what you all think, but IMHO, it's the moment to get a new<br>
> Squeak 4 from zero, trying to preserve the core classes, with new ideas<br>
> and ambitions.<br>
><br>
> I don't like very much the idea about all list hating me, but, after<br>
> this mail, I know you hate me :P<br>
><br>
> P.D.: Yes, probably, I'm crazy too.<br>
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