<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">OK, so then we have a minimal image. How then do we see it is used as the kernel for etoys, croquet, spoon, pharo, etc? I think Matthew's point is less about producing a minimal image and more about forks standardising on core packages incrementally until they eventually agree with each other on some notion of a kernel image.<br>
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If I understand correctly the images mentioned in this thread, SqueakLightII, MorphicCore etc would all be expected to adopt these standard packages.<br>
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My suggestion is that only an image which includes standard packages alone should be called a core image (and then only if one is needed? Would it be needed?). I'd reserve the term kernel image for the types of images Eliot and others are discussing.<br>
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</font></blockquote><div><br>Seems no one heard a word Matthew said. The idea that all those different forks will adopt some minimal kernel image is frankly absurd and highly unlikely to ever happen. Matthew's correct, the best we could hope for would be to get them using common core packages and even that isn't trivial and requires workers rather than board members. <br>
<br>Andreas is the only person I've seen proposing anything at all pragmatic for the board to do. They should stop trying to plan the future and start harvesting the present, get things that are done and proven into the main image. If it isn't done, and already in use by some subset of the community then it shouldn't exist in the eyes of the board.<br>
<br>This idea that the board should be leading things is frankly flawed, all the forked version of and sub-communities of Squeak are the real leaders, they're the ones doing the work, experimenting with new ideas both good and bad, and making progress, the board should be following them and picking out the usable pieces for inclusion in the mainline Squeak, or better yet, Matthew's idea of core packages and forget the idea of a main Squeak image altogether.<br>
<br>Ramon Leon<br><a href="http://onsmalltalk.com">http://onsmalltalk.com</a> <br></div></div><br>