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Hi,<br>
<br>
Bravo Benoit!<br>
<br>
I concur.<br>
<br>
Every Smalltalk or Smalltalk variant is Smalltalk! Let's make them all
the best they can be. <br>
<br>
I currently use: Susie Smalltalk, Smalltalk MT, Dolphin, Squeak,
Pharo, VisualWorks, VisualAge, Gemstone, GNU Smalltalk, Smalltalk/X. I
have products in Digitalk V286 for PC and Mac, VisualSmalltalk
Enterprise. I'm working on my own variant of Smalltalk, ZokuTalk. I
like other smaltalk's too, heck, there is a list here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.Smalltalk.org/versions">http://www.Smalltalk.org/versions</a> that's almost complete (new
smalltalk's keep appearing).<br>
<br>
Unlike Java or the Microsoft communities, Smalltalk is very much like
the Unix, Linux, *BSD communities, it's diverse.<br>
<br>
If you can't get along with others fine, no one will force you... but
please let those of us who can get along with each other regardless of
which Smalltalk we use get on with making them better. Thanks.<br>
<br>
One aspect of human nature is to form groups with "rules" about who is
in the group and who isn't. Benoit is right that we are all using
Smalltalk and that is the larger context, the larger group to keep in
mind even if you only use one Smalltalk. <br>
<br>
You can also think of it another way, the larger group may be able to
bring more resources to bear on problems to solve them quicker. Much
like farming communities that assist each other to build barns. This
year Billy Bob needs a new barn. Next year it's Mary Sue.<br>
<br>
“Three helping one another will do as much as six working singly." -
Spanish proverb. By extension, all Smalltalkers working to improve
Smalltalk will accomplish more than any of us can in fragmented groups.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
<br>
Peter William Lount<br>
Editor Smalltalk.org<br>
<br>
<br>
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Benoit St-Jean wrote:
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amis, désolé pour l'anglais mais comme je voulais que tous les
principaux intéressés comprennent mon point de vue, j'ai choisi
l'anglais!<br>
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Okay guys, let's put things in perspective here...<br>
<br>
Pharo isn't at war with Squeak and vice-versa... Just like any kid, it
just wants to "live it's own life" and somehow, somewhat, slowly
progress and become a little bit different from its parents, here
namely Squeak.<br>
<br>
If find it weird that 2 Smalltalk implementations/communities, so close
to each other like Squeak and Pharo, go to great lengths at flaming
each other... Don't you find it weird that such discussions don't
happen between VisualWorks and Dolphin, between VisualAge and GNU
Smalltalk, etc ?<br>
<br>
We're from the same family. Okay, we're all a bit different different
but, deep inside, we're so the same.<br>
<br>
I'm a happy Smalltalker who's daily job involves VisualWorks, Dolphin
and VisualAge. In my spare time, I'm happy "squeaking" and
"pharoing". Can't we just respect each other's goals/ambitions/dreams
and try to find some communality and try to stay "not too far from each
other and benefit from each other" instead of starting a "cold war"
that will only leave us isolated, both in our own camps ? I'm
puzzled! What do I do if I like both? Choose my camp or abandon them
both ?<br>
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Benoit St-Jean<br>
Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean<br>
Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com<br>
A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero.<br>
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