<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Chers amis, désolé pour l'anglais mais comme je voulais que tous les principaux intéressés comprennent mon point de vue, j'ai choisi l'anglais!<br><br>Okay guys, let's put things in perspective here...<br><br>Pharo isn't at war with Squeak and vice-versa... Just like any kid, it just wants to "live it's own life" and somehow, somewhat, slowly progress and become a little bit different from its parents, here namely Squeak.<br><br>If find it weird that 2 Smalltalk implementations/communities, so close to each other like Squeak and Pharo, go to great lengths at flaming each other... Don't you find it weird that such discussions don't happen between VisualWorks and Dolphin, between VisualAge and GNU Smalltalk, etc ?<br><br>We're from the same family. Okay, we're all a bit
different different but, deep inside, we're so the same.<br><br>I'm a happy Smalltalker who's daily job involves VisualWorks, Dolphin and VisualAge. In my spare time, I'm happy "squeaking" and "pharoing". Can't we just respect each other's goals/ambitions/dreams and try to find some communality and try to stay "not too far from each other and benefit from each other" instead of starting a "cold war" that will only leave us isolated, both in our own camps ? I'm puzzled! What do I do if I like both? Choose my camp or abandon them both ?<br><div> </div>-----------------<br>Benoit St-Jean<br>Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean<br>Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com<br>A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero.<br>(Albert Einstein)<div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font size="2"
face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Keith Hodges <keith_hodges@yahoo.co.uk><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 7, 2009 12:28:09 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Pharo-project] Just a little point<br></font><br>Keith Hodges wrote:<br>>> so I'm laughing when people suggest that we are predators.<br>>> <br>>> <br>> I am still counting your contributions back to the packages which you<br>> are using, which are public domain, and have public repositories...<br>><br>> answer zero<br>><br>> <br>Its not even a technical issue, you have chosen a philosophically<br>predatory stance from the outset.<br><br>"We will make our own image, without any concern for giving back to<br>those who made it
possible" The number of times I have heard, we are<br>changing this that or the other, and if you want the improvement "you<br>can port it if you want to", completely illustrates my point.<br><br>Those who made the contributions that you are using probably expected<br>that any improvements to their efforts would be fed back to them in a<br>form that they could make use of.<br><br>It is the main reason for companies to make their code open source,<br>because they anticipate some reciprocation from those who benefit, and<br>thus the benefit is mutual, and might offset the considerable cost of<br>development.<br><br>And in case you are wondering, the public repository for the community<br>to work towards improving SUnit,<br> ( squeaksource/Testing ) does include<br><br>#assert:equals:<br><br>Keith<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Pharo-project mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr"
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