Almost everyone I know who Squeaks uses Polymorph, and I enjoyed the heck out of hacking up the Vista style look to have titlebar buttons arranged in a fashion after OS X:P<div><br></div><div>One problem that I kept having was, it seemed that the load order and versions of Polymorph & OmniBrowser had to be just right or I'd wind up pretty broken. I saw lots of bugginess, although I *was* rolling my own theme, so the bugs may have been my own.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Do people feel that Polymorph is generally stable enough to go in a base image?</div><div><br></div><div> - Ron<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Andreas Raab <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andreas.raab@gmx.de">andreas.raab@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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If I get some time it may be possible to factor out the changes.<br>
Commercial pressures drive our work, of course.<br>
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How do you mean "trade it, say, for MVC"?<br>
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Unload one, load the other instead.<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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Cheers,<br>
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Raab" <<a href="mailto:andreas.raab@gmx.de" target="_blank">andreas.raab@gmx.de</a>><br>
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Subject: [squeak-dev] Re: Title bar bug on trunk<br>
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Gary Chambers wrote:<br>
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Of course, Polymorph fixes the title-bar font/gripper issue. Feel free to pick the bones out of it.<br>
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How about integrating it instead of picking bones? I have not looked at Polymorph in detail and someone knowledgeable (i.e., you ;-) would have to help with it, but it seems like a valuable addition. If we can trade it, say, for MVC, it shouldn't make much of a difference in size either.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
- Andreas<br>
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Trudel" <<a href="mailto:ian.trudel@gmail.com" target="_blank">ian.trudel@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Title bar bug on trunk<br>
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2009/8/15 Andreas Raab <<a href="mailto:andreas.raab@gmx.de" target="_blank">andreas.raab@gmx.de</a>>:<br>
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Ian Trudel wrote:<br>
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Another issue but with the trunk. I have tried to update code from the<br>
trunk into my image but there's a proxy error with <a href="http://source.squeak.org" target="_blank">source.squeak.org</a><br>
right at this minute, which causes Squeak to freeze for a minute or<br>
two trying to reach the server.<br>
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It seems to be fine now. Probably just a temporary issue.<br>
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However, I don't think such issue should entirely freeze Squeak. An<br>
unresponsive UI isn't really the way to go.<br>
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Concretely, does it mean we are limited in the font sizes for any<br>
given font loaded into Squeak?<br>
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It just means we should limit ourselves. We can include more fonts but each<br>
takes a good chunk of memory (depending on point size) so we should pick<br>
them carefully. You might want to ask Juan if he can post a "full" set of<br>
point sizes somewhere that people can load and then we pick the three most<br>
relevant sizes ("small", "regular" and "title" font). The current set was<br>
picked by Juan and it works well for me.<br>
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The current set isn't bad at all, I must admit. The title is just a<br>
point too big in my opinion. The fonts included are listed in World<br>
Menu > Appearance > System fonts > List fonts ? Juan, is it<br>
customizable?<br>
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Editing the workspace doesn't produce a change set nor monticello<br>
recognize the change. I am not exactly sure how to push this change in<br>
a monticello way. If you give me quick instructions, I will be glad to<br>
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One of the weaknesses of Monticello. I'd recommend adding a menu entry in<br>
the help menu (or reusing the "about this system..." entry) to put up a<br>
workspace with the proper text. Then you can construct the text via:<br>
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text := 'Here goes the red bold text.!<br>
]style[(14 3 1 4 6)f1,f1cred;,f1,f1b,f1!' readStream nextChunkText.<br>
(Workspace new contents: text) openLabel: 'About this image'.<br>
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To create the formatting for the text, simply inspect a workspace and<br>
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This should do the trick.<br>
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Now everything seems clear. My first thought was to save an image,<br>
which isn't gonna cut it with Monticello. What you propose is to add a<br>
button to open a new window, rather than providing a trunk image with<br>
the license notice already present. It doesn't feel quite right.<br>
Wouldn't it be possible to save a project and upload it to a<br>
repository? Or, perhaps, we should have a container class to prepare<br>
the trunk image, where a project could be stored.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
- Andreas<br>
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Regards,<br>
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